Have atheists redefined science to get rid of God?

What the bloody hell are abnoralities, i wanna know.

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Me too!

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thats when ya sing funny

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"God specifically not to do something, and we did it...whose fault?" If god created us this way, who's fault, indeed! He knew before he told us not to do something, but he already knew we would do it. That's called "bad design." Everything that he doesn't like is all his fault; he had a choice - we don't.

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Yet another example of people worshiping a god they've made dumber than the average human..I mean, what parent would have their grown children calling them all day ,getting on their knees to thank them. giving them a tenth of their pay, and butchering animal to show their appreciation?
And what parent would put goodies on a table, tell their children not to at them, and then leaving the house?

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This topic, more correctly, should have been worded

."Have the fundamentalists tried to destroy science in order to keep the God of Genesis alive?"

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Well....DUH!. Rolling Eyes

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The fundamentalists will continue to deny science, but eventually, it's gonna make them look stupid, because ya just can't keep rationalizing creation as told in the 'good' book.

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C.I, Old Chap,
....Methinks it's a bit late for eventually.The progress will be made when THEY realize they're stupid, and stop feeding it to their kids.

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I'm patiently waiting for that day when the kids say, "quit feeding me that BS!" LOL

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at age five I was expelled from Sunday School for asking too many questions they couldn't answer Laughing

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Bravo

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I was confusing the other kids apparently...haven't changed much Twisted Evil

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Everything that he doesn't like is all his fault; he had a choice - we don't.

Oh we don't? I beg to differ my friend, it's the time-old issue of; something can be used for good, or something can be used for evil. If I hand you a gun, you could either use it for good (hunt, sports, etc.), or you could use it for evil (kill innocent people, etc.) Even when we do choose wrong, God has offered us salvation.

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gospelmancan2 wrote:

parados wrote:
By the way gospelman..

where is your concrete proof that God exists. I can throw a bible up and it proves Gravity is real but it doesn't prove anything about God. Shouldn't you have the same standard for proof of God that you demand of science? Logic says you should. I can test Boyle's law but there is no test for God. I guess that proves there is no God if we have to follow your standard.

Since when were we talking about God? I am still waiting for proof on evolution as the origin of man. Changing the focus just avoids the question I asked.

Er... I think you're trying to change the focus of the topic. Evolution isn't what the topic is about.

The topic is whether atheists have redefined science in general to get rid of God. Evolution is only a tiny part of the debate.

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Wolf_ODonnell wrote:

Er... I think you're trying to change the focus of the topic. Evolution isn't what the topic is about.

The topic is whether atheists have redefined science in general to get rid of God. Evolution is only a tiny part of the debate.

I realize that that isn't what the topic is called but I was following the chain of conversation that was going on. Maybe I should start a new topic and call it "Evolution is BS". Seems like a waste of time though. You could avoid my question there as well when I asked for proof of the existence of the of evolution as the origin of man. (Still waiting for the proof by the way)
Anyway, I think that evolution is a much larger part of the debate as I see it as a prime example of the scientific community attempting to write natural history in it's own way to suit it's own ends. I do not believe in evolution and many in science agree. The fact that anyone who does not bow down to evolutionist theory is either ignored, sidelined or outright attacked proves the point of this topic. I haven't seen one person in this topic line who supports evolution actually accept the fact that there may be other avenues of thought that are as considered as their own.
I again remind all that the scientific community has made some pretty wild conclusions in the past which have been proven wrong. At the time those conclusions were in vogue, they would not suffer criticism either.

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gospelmancan2 wrote:

The fact that anyone who does not bow down to evolutionist theory is either ignored, sidelined or outright attacked proves the point of this topic.

No, that simply proves that those who believe in evolution ignore, sideline and attack other arguments. It seems a little harsh to criticise for ignoring and attacking an opposing position in the same sentence. I can only see four ways to respond to an argument that counters your own, to ignore, attack, concede, or refine. If those who believe in evolution think your argument are wrong, you can hardly criticise them for ignoring and attacking.

To prove the affirmative of the thread's title, you'd need to establish:
(1) The previous definition of the word 'science'.
(2) The new definition.
(3) That the change between the two was achieved by atheists
(4) That the motive of these atheists was to 'get rid of God'.

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djbt, Your approach is too logical; the same arguments will remain, because 'one' side will never accept what is so obvious to scientists.

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I beg to differ:

I was once of the opinion that the theory of evolution was wrong. I used to debate it quite forcefully. I had all my arguments worked out.

Then I read The Blind Watchmaker, and all my arguments were demolished.

Never give up on the power of well reasoned, well researched, thoughtful, honest logic!

To reiterate:

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To prove the affirmative of the thread's title, you'd need to establish:
(1) The previous definition of the word 'science'.
(2) The new definition.
(3) That the change between the two was achieved by atheists
(4) That the motive of these atheists was to 'get rid of God'.

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I realize that that isn't what the topic is called but I was following the chain of conversation that was going on. Maybe I should start a new topic and call it "Evolution is BS". Seems like a waste of time though. You could avoid my question there as well when I asked for proof of the existence of the of evolution as the origin of man. (Still waiting for the proof by the way)
Anyway, I think that evolution is a much larger part of the debate as I see it as a prime example of the scientific community attempting to write natural history in it's own way to suit it's own ends. I do not believe in evolution and many in science agree. The fact that anyone who does not bow down to evolutionist theory is either ignored, sidelined or outright attacked proves the point of this topic. I haven't seen one person in this topic line who supports evolution actually accept the fact that there may be other avenues of thought that are as considered as their own.
I again remind all that the scientific community has made some pretty wild conclusions in the past which have been proven wrong. At the time those conclusions were in vogue, they would not suffer criticism either.

I think we are in kahoots my friend. Smile

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