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Has the Schiavo case Become a Political Football?

 
 
HofT
 
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Reply Fri 25 Mar, 2005 05:31 pm
Cicerone - we know now more than the parents knew then about childhood obesity, so they may be feeling guilty for allowing their - young teenager at the time, and never taller than 5 ft 3' - daughter to balloon to 200 pounds:
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory?id=528501

The compensation money came from the brain-damage-as-consequence-of-bulimia lawsuit. The dead woman had already spent 10 years throwing up her food by the time she married Michael Schiavo. Guilt as a motive for her family's manic persistence in having the poor corpse operated on again to introduce a feeding tube in her stomach sounds at least as likely as money.

Truly an appalling case - not for Terri, dead these 15 years, but for everyone else involved. This being Good Friday I hope the Christian extremists will consider taking a break <G>
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Fri 25 Mar, 2005 05:39 pm
Knowing every detail of their personal lives can't change the fundamental right of the husband to make the call, in this instance. It would be a natural progression in the husband's thinking to go from doing all he could for her if there seemed a spark of hope to allowing her to die when it was 100% certain she would always be vegetative.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 25 Mar, 2005 05:46 pm
edgar, Those of us that have followed this case closely know the many details that make up the current situation so volatile. It seems the right-to-lifers gave this case a whole life of its own, and no matter what the medical community or the court system has concluded, they keep fighting for a life that really doesn't exist - or hasn't existed for some 15 years. Emotion has taken over our society like no other issue before it, and most have lost all sense of relationship and logic. DeLay has cut 17 billion from the medicare bill, and most don't even bother to blink. It's really sad.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Fri 25 Mar, 2005 05:54 pm
You are right, CI. The people getting elected are "putting it" to the poor increasingly. I guess others don't mind.
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Dartagnan
 
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Reply Fri 25 Mar, 2005 06:13 pm
The Republicans have been cynically manipulating people who are sincerely, though (in my opinion) misguidedly concerned about Terry Schiavo. These politicians are like those who fanned the flames of religious difference in the Balkans and helped generate so much bloodshed in the 1990s.

No one can convince me that Tom DeLay gives a rat's ass about Terry Schiavo.
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Dookiestix
 
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Reply Fri 25 Mar, 2005 06:41 pm
Quote:
Eric Cohen is editor of the New Atlantis and resident scholar at the Ethics and Public Policy Center.


Enough said. Liberalism failing Terri Shiavo? Conservatism almost destroyed American federalism, as government decided to intervene in a private matter. Liberalism has teen trying to put a face on these poor souls and their plight.

But really. Neoconservatives on this thread have yet address how Mr. Frist, George W. Bush, and all the neocon pundits were saying ONE thing years ago, and are now doing something entirely different.

Which makes this article from Eric Cohen completely bogus. Would he have felt the same way when Dr. Frist pulled the plug on many terminally ill patients years ago?

This is so egregious and stupid coming from the neocons right now, because they are desperately clinging to a potentially dwindling religious consituency. There has been a backlash. The polls have obviously spoken. The myriad doctors have already spoken. The USSC has spoken FIVE TIMES.

And why? Because Terri has already been dead for the last 15 years, and her immediate family just cannot let go.

This all comes right back to the title of this thread. This is nothing BUT a very hot political footballl
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nimh
 
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Reply Fri 25 Mar, 2005 07:02 pm
Related?

Gallup Poll and CNN/USA Today/Gallup Poll, 3/21-23/05 (compared to three days earlier)

"Do you approve or disapprove of the way George W. Bush is handling his job as president?"

Approve 45% (-7)
Disapprove 49% (+5)
Unsure 6% (+2)

Approval lowest since Bush was first elected in 2000.

CBS News Poll. March 21-22, 2005 (compared to last month)

"Do you approve or disapprove of the way George W. Bush is handling his job as president?"

Approve 43% (-6)
Disapprove 48% (+4)
Unsure 9% (+2)

Approval lowest since 11 October 2004 (right after the second debate)
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candidone1
 
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Reply Fri 25 Mar, 2005 07:38 pm
Some questions for Schiavo pro-lifers:

1. Why exactly are you rallying to keep her alive?

2. Why is the decision made by the courts inadequate?

3. Why is "erring on the side of life" in this instance so critical?

4. If Michael had not begun another life with another woman, would his intentions be regarded as less malicious?

5. If the malpractice insurance money would have gone anywhere alse but his bank account, would his intentions seem less malicious?

6. If you were Michael, would you want to keep your partner in the same state for another 15 years? Is enough ever enough?
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Fri 25 Mar, 2005 08:12 pm
candidone1 wrote:
Some questions for Schiavo pro-lifers:

1. Why exactly are you rallying to keep her alive?

2. Why is the decision made by the courts inadequate?

3. Why is "erring on the side of life" in this instance so critical?

4. If Michael had not begun another life with another woman, would his intentions be regarded as less malicious?

5. If the malpractice insurance money would have gone anywhere alse but his bank account, would his intentions seem less malicious?

6. If you were Michael, would you want to keep your partner in the same state for another 15 years? Is enough ever enough?

What is the purpose of these questions? Reading them carefully, to me they look like a subtle way of advancing your opinion, in as much as it is contained in the questions. What is our motive to answer? No one wants clarification. Perhaps you are not actually interested in the answers. If you were, the questions would probably have been stated in a neutral fashion.
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Dookiestix
 
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Reply Fri 25 Mar, 2005 08:13 pm
candidone1 wrote:
Some questions for Schiavo pro-lifers:

1. Why exactly are you rallying to keep her alive?

2. Why is the decision made by the courts inadequate?

3. Why is "erring on the side of life" in this instance so critical?

4. If Michael had not begun another life with another woman, would his intentions be regarded as less malicious?

5. If the malpractice insurance money would have gone anywhere alse but his bank account, would his intentions seem less malicious?

6. If you were Michael, would you want to keep your partner in the same state for another 15 years? Is enough ever enough?


Great questions, candidone 1. I guess we can only wait and see what the answers may be...
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Dookiestix
 
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Reply Fri 25 Mar, 2005 08:14 pm
Brandon:

Give it a friggin' break. Can you possibly answer those questions? I seriously doubt it...
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Fri 25 Mar, 2005 08:17 pm
Dookiestix wrote:
Brandon:

Give it a friggin' break. Can you possibly answer those questions? I seriously doubt it...

Give what a "friggin' break?" Ostensibly the questions were addressed to the people on my side of the issue. He requested a response from us. I can answer his questions, and your questions, and debate with five or six of you at once, but why would I? The questions appear to be nothing more than a slick way of stating his opinion, rather than showing interest in why we think what we think. Maybe "give it a friggin' break" means that my only appropriate response, according to you, was to tell you that you are right, rather than state my opinions here on the Politics board.
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Lash
 
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Reply Fri 25 Mar, 2005 08:21 pm
candidone1 wrote:
Some questions for Schiavo pro-lifers:

1. Why exactly are you rallying to keep her alive?
Starving and denying water to animals is illegal. It should be for people, too, unless they left instructions. Her wishes are not clearly known. I don't trust her husband to act in her best interests.---That being said--I think she's past the point of return, now, and it would likely be more cruel to grab her back from the jaws of death--just to do the whole thing over again in a few months.
2. Why is the decision made by the courts inadequate?
It may not be--but with like other cases, I'd like to know the evidence they used to make the decision--because from what I can see--there is no adequate evidence.

3. Why is "erring on the side of life" in this instance so critical?
If you were going to make a decision to allow someone to live, or to kill them--and you weren't sure which they wanted--which would you be less guilty of a serious crime, if you were wrong? Which one is permanent?
4. If Michael had not begun another life with another woman, would his intentions be regarded as less malicious? Probably. His affections are divided. His loyalties are divided. If he were devoted to his wife, it would be easier to believe his intentions were in her best interest.

5. If the malpractice insurance money would have gone anywhere alse but his bank account, would his intentions seem less malicious?
Very likely. Conflict of interest.
6. If you were Michael, would you want to keep your partner in the same state for another 15 years? Is enough ever enough?
If I knew my husband's wishes, I would likely have helped him leave the world in a humane way. I will say this. This case has caused a lot of people to get Living Wills. We are completing ours this week.

One opinion. Would be interested to see others. Might advance increased understanding on both sides.
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candidone1
 
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Reply Fri 25 Mar, 2005 08:35 pm
Lash wrote:

One opinion. Would be interested to see others. Might advance increased understanding on both sides.


Thanks Lash.
I hope more people contribute.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Fri 25 Mar, 2005 08:37 pm
Beating a dead horse, people.
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candidone1
 
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Reply Fri 25 Mar, 2005 08:40 pm
One thing:

Quote:
4. If Michael had not begun another life with another woman, would his intentions be regarded as less malicious? Probably. His affections are divided. His loyalties are divided. If he were devoted to his wife, it would be easier to believe his intentions were in her best interest.


Perhaps this is a sign of devotion.
I have made it clear that I want my wife to continue a life after me, and send me off if I were to be in a Schiavo-esque condition.
It looks bad, but who really knows the emotional aspect of this case.

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6. If you were Michael, would you want to keep your partner in the same state for another 15 years? Is enough ever enough?
If I knew my husband's wishes, I would likely have helped him leave the world in a humane way. I will say this. This case has caused a lot of people to get Living Wills. We are completing ours this week.


...but you probably do understand, and agree that it just looks bad without knowing what he knows or feels.
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candidone1
 
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Reply Fri 25 Mar, 2005 08:41 pm
edgarblythe wrote:
Beating a dead horse, people.


Ouch! :wink:
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 25 Mar, 2005 08:43 pm
Quote, "Starving and denying water to animals is illegal." All the judges who have convened on this case with doctors have disagreed with you. Are you saying that all the judges that agreed with Michael Schiavo are not legal in this country? What's your point? That you don't agree with all those judges, and you understand the law better, and you are the legal authority of this country? Get real, for crying out loud. Get your damn head out of the sand.
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Lash
 
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Reply Fri 25 Mar, 2005 08:47 pm
Get your head in a damn law book.

Starving animals is illegal in most states. You can go to jail for it.

The judges who convened this case didn't address that statement. They found it OK to starve a person--but it is still illegal to starve an animal.

You should read what someone says before trying to jump in.
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candidone1
 
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Reply Fri 25 Mar, 2005 08:48 pm
Brandon...you're right.
It's a left wing conspiracy.
Done deal...you've exposed the truth.

Nice work.
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