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Has the Schiavo case Become a Political Football?

 
 
candidone1
 
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Reply Thu 24 Mar, 2005 11:40 am
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Yesterday Sun Hudson, the nearly 6-month-old at Texas Children's Hospital in Houston, diagnosed and slowly dying with a rare form of dwarfism (thanatophoric dysplasia), was taken off the ventilator that was keeping him alive. A Houston court authorized the hospital's action, and Sun died shortly thereafter. Today's Houston Chronicle and Dallas Morning News have most of the details


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Then at 2 p.m. Tuesday, a medical staffer at Texas Children's Hospital gently removed the breathing tube that had kept Sun Hudson alive since his birth Sept. 25. Cradled by his mother, he took a few breaths, and died.


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this is the first time in the United States a court has allowed life-sustaining treatment to be withdrawn from a pediatric patient over the objections of the child's parent. (The Dallas paper quotes John Paris, a bioethicist at Boston College, as its source.) If true, the unique Texas statute under which this saga was played out contributed in no small way to the outcome. As one of the laws co-authors (along with a roomful of other drafters, in 1999) let me explain.


Hmmmm....Texas?
In 1999.
...can't place the name of this guy from there just yet....some governor guy...

Anyway..
Suffocation?
Court acting above the wishes of the parents?

Wow.
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Thu 24 Mar, 2005 11:40 am
Polls don't really mean a helluva lot, but can be very interesting!


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3080261/
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candidone1
 
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Reply Thu 24 Mar, 2005 11:42 am
But yet, BUsh found it imperative to
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[have] legislation flown to him overnight by military plane for his signature.


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candidone1
 
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Reply Thu 24 Mar, 2005 11:47 am
A few of the docs selected as "experts in the field" seem less than qualified to make decisions about Terri.

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Although Hopper claims to have a doctorate "in neuroscience" on his website, in his under-oath affidavit his only claimed Ph.D. is in counseling psychology. According to the bibliography he provides, he's never had any research published in specialized neuroscience journals. In fact, apart from some allegedly "in press" articles, he hasn't published anything in over a decade - and the majority of his publications before that point appeared in Somnology, a journal edited by - what a coincidence! - Dr. David Hopper. (Somnology, by the way, is the study of sleep disorders.)


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ehBeth
 
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Reply Thu 24 Mar, 2005 11:51 am
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Terri Schiavo: Do politicians really care or are they pushing their agenda? * 34657 responses


Politicians really care 11%

Pushing their agenda 89%


from Phoenix's link
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au1929
 
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Reply Thu 24 Mar, 2005 11:54 am
The renowned DR. In congress Frist made his diagnosis by watching a tape. And De Lay got his medical degree based on his long years as an exterminator. What a bunch of hooples we have making our laws.
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Thu 24 Mar, 2005 12:03 pm
Here is a rational, reasoned article by a real doctor, who happens to be a Republican.

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While we at American Council on Science and Health have been determined to remain on the sidelines of the raging national debate about the fate of Terri Schiavo (this is largely a legal and ethical issue, not a scientific one), we cannot remain silent about the outrageous misrepresentation of scientific facts about this case that has been occurring in the past ten days.

The medical reality of Ms. Schiavo's case is this: She has been in what is medically referred to as a "permanent vegetative state" for the past 15 years, ever since her heart temporarily stopped (probably due to the severe effects of an eating disorder), depriving her brain of oxygen. Brain scans indicate that her cerebral cortex ceased functioning -- probably just after she experienced cardiac arrest in 1990. Ms. Schiavo's CAT scan shows massive shrinking of the brain, and her EEG is flat. Physicians confirm that there is no electrical activity coming from her brain. While the family video repeatedly shown on television suggests otherwise, her non-functioning cortex precludes cognition, including any ability to interact or communicate with people or show any signs of awareness. Dozens of experts over the years who have examined Ms. Schiavo agree that there is no hope of her recovering -- even though her body, face and eyes (if she is given food and hydration) might continue to move for decades to come.

Those are the harsh facts.

Thus it was shocking that Sen. Bill Frist -- a heart surgeon before becoming Senate majority leader -- went to the Senate floor twice last week to argue that Florida doctors had erred in saying that Terri is in a "persistent vegetative state." How did Frist arrive at this diagnosis? From watching the family videotapes.

Frist's comments were picked up by journalists, including FoxNews's Fred Barnes, who cited Sen. Frist as an authority in a debate with Morton Kondracke on "The Beltway Boys" last week.

Yesterday, there was another public challenge to Ms. Schiavo's well-established diagnosis: Florida governor Jeb Bush announced that a "very renowned neurologist," Dr. William Cheshire, had concluded that Terri had been misdiagnosed and that she was really only in a state of "minimal consciousness" rather than a persistent vegetative state. He used this "new diagnosis" to argue that "this new information raises serious concerns and warrants immediate action."

As it turns out, Dr. Cheshire is not "renowned" as a neurologist -- his limited publications focus on areas including headache pain and his opposition to stem cell research. Dr. Cheshire never conducted a physical examination of Ms. Schiavo, nor did he do neurological tests. Dr. Cheshire is director of biotech ethics at the Center for Bioethics and Human Dignity, a nonprofit group founded by "more than a dozen leading Christian bioethicists." Everyone is free to be guided by a personal agenda -- and it is clear that Dr. Cheshire has his.


Let's call tripe when tripe is served. All of us are entitled to our own personal views on the Schiavo case, what her fate should be, and who should make decisions for her. But all of us should be united in rejecting politically-generated junk science.


Dr. Elizabeth M. Whelan is president and founder of the American Council on Science and Health. She is a life-long Republican.


http://www.techcentralstation.com/032405I.html

Dr. Whelan is being too polite by calling the findings of Frist & Cheshire "tripe". IMO, it is one of the most blatant attempts at "legislation through bullshit" that I have ever had the misfortune to observe.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 24 Mar, 2005 12:13 pm
Phoenix, Amen.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 24 Mar, 2005 12:14 pm
Isn't it interesting how many quacks we have in this country?
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candidone1
 
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Reply Thu 24 Mar, 2005 12:19 pm
So, if in fact the brain scans "confirm that there is no electrical activity coming from her brain", why is it an absurdity to claim that she would not and can not feel pain?
Although a hot topic in metaphysics and neuro-philosophy, the medical field largely acknowledges pain as a brain sensation--electrical activity, if you will.
Ergo, death by starvation, injection...or flamethrower would result in the same end via alternate means.
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au1929
 
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Reply Thu 24 Mar, 2005 01:14 pm
http://csmonitor.com/2005/0324/csmimg/cartoon.jpg
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candidone1
 
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Reply Thu 24 Mar, 2005 01:37 pm
au1929 wrote:
http://csmonitor.com/2005/0324/csmimg/cartoon.jpg


We can only hope some good comes out of this.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 24 Mar, 2005 01:38 pm
I knew it!

The whole thing has been a secret advertisement for the lawyers....

/joking

Cycloptichorn
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 24 Mar, 2005 01:54 pm
Actually, one doesn't need to have a lawyer to prepare a "living will." There are "free" boilerplate forms on the web that applies to your own state. When I prepared mine, I gave copies to my wife and physician, and also have copies in our 'permanent' file at home. I'm also planning to give a copy to our oldest son in the near future.
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au1929
 
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Reply Thu 24 Mar, 2005 02:06 pm
For those in NY and NJ there is a form to be copied posted on the 1010 wins web site.
Both my wife and I have had living wills since the time I was in hospital in 1992. NYU Medical center gave them to you upon check in.
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au1929
 
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Reply Thu 24 Mar, 2005 02:09 pm
Duplicate post
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Thu 24 Mar, 2005 03:00 pm
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Thu 24 Mar, 2005 03:59 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
DrewDad's quote, "Removing the feeding tube is ending medical intervention.

Applying a flamethrower (or lethal injection, or smothering, etc.) is euthanasia.

Quite a difference."

Thank you, DrewDad for seeing the DIFFERENCE. It seems some people's arguments are just stupid ones, because they are so hell bent to prove something that is not remotely a comparison.

You liberals consistently fail to understand that I can compare some aspect of two things without thereby stating that they are alike in all respects. My point, which you appear too stupid to grasp, is that when you refer to starvation as a peaceful death, either you are incorrect, as it is the opposite, or else you merely mean that it is peaceful for her because you believe that she can feel nothing. If the latter, than it is is misleading, because according to your thesis, death by flamethrower would also be peaceful.

By the way, you would be wrong anyway. Removing the feeding tube is not ending intervention, since if someone attempted to feed her, they would be prevented from doing so by force. You are killing her in the guise of letting her die, and to me, a person who argues on behalf of a great cruelty is complicit.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 24 Mar, 2005 04:00 pm
Schiavo Case Highlights Catholic-Evangelical Alliance
By LAURIE GOODSTEIN

Published: March 24, 2005


The powerful outcry over Terri Schiavo, the brain-damaged Florida woman whose case has provoked a national debate over whether she should live or die, is a testament to the growing alliance of conservative Roman Catholics and evangelicals who have found common cause in the "culture of life" agenda articulated by Pope John Paul II.

In their fight to keep their daughter alive, Ms. Schiavo's parents, who are Catholics, have been backed by an ad hoc coalition of Catholic and evangelical lobbyists, street organizers and legal advisers like the Rev. Frank Pavone, the Catholic priest who runs a group called Priests for Life and evangelical Protestants like Randall Terry, founder of Operation Rescue, and the Rev. Pat Mahoney of the National Clergy Council.

The struggle is only the latest indication of a strengthening religious alliance between denominations that were once bitterly divided. Evangelical leaders say they frequently lean on Catholic intellectuals like Robert George at Princeton University and the Rev. Richard John Neuhaus, editor of the journal First Things, to help them frame political issues theologically.

An increasing number of Catholics hold crucial staff positions in some of the religious conservative groups that lobby Washington. And conservative Catholics and evangelicals meet weekly in Virginia with a broad array of right-leaning lobbyists.

"The idea of building a culture that values human life is a Catholic articulation, but it echoes in the hearts of many people, evangelicals and others," said William L. Saunders Jr., director of the Center for Human Life and Bioethics at the Family Research Council in Washington.

"It was articulated by John Paul II, who is a great hero to pro-life people, regardless of their church," said Mr. Saunders, who is among the Catholics working at an organization founded by or affiliated with evangelicals.

The "culture of life" language has been widely adopted by conservative politicians. President Bush said in a news conference yesterday that government must "err on the side of life" in making every effort to keep Ms. Schiavo alive.

The Catholics and evangelicals first joined forces in the anti-abortion movement. And their alliance has now extended to include promoting sexual abstinence education and opposing stem-cell research and euthanasia. It is an array of issues they link under the rubric of "respect for the sanctity of life," whether that life is an "unborn baby" or an unresponsive patient lying in a hospice bed.

"Who can judge the dignity and sacredness of the life of a human being, made in the image and likeness of God?" asked the Vatican's official newspaper, L'Osservatore Romano, on Monday, commenting on the Schiavo situation. "Who can decide to pull the plug as if we were talking about a broken or out-of-order household appliance?"

Burke J. Balch, director of the Powell Center for Medical Ethics at the National Right to Life Committee, said the religious alliance on the Schiavo case had also been given a great boost by disability rights organizations that saw Ms. Schiavo as a disabled American deserving legal protection.

Joni Eareckson Tada, a quadriplegic who runs Joni and Friends, an evangelical ministry for disability rights in Los Angeles, said: "When you look at those videotapes, you are unable to rule out that she is in some way conscious or cognizant. When reasonable doubts like that are raised, we who are disabled believe her condition should be exhaustively investigated."

Historically, the Catholic and evangelical alliance is very new. Less than half a century ago, Catholics and evangelicals still shared little but a history of mutual contempt and mistrust. When John F. Kennedy ran for president in 1960, evangelical leaders sent out a letter to Protestant pastors asking them to preach against him, arguing that as a Catholic, his true allegiance was to Rome.

It was only 11 years ago that a group of evangelical and Catholic leaders and theologians released a groundbreaking statement, "Evangelicals and Catholics Together," drafted after a series of unusual meetings. While the document treated primarily theological issues, it said that evangelicals and Catholics could unite on a broad social agenda that included "pro-life" issues, strengthening the family and government support for religious schools.

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It seems we will see more religious intervention in our politics in the US.
I'm not so sure that's good news for All Americans; even though the majority in this country are christians.
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Thu 24 Mar, 2005 04:04 pm
candidone1 wrote:
So, if in fact the brain scans "confirm that there is no electrical activity coming from her brain", why is it an absurdity to claim that she would not and can not feel pain?
Although a hot topic in metaphysics and neuro-philosophy, the medical field largely acknowledges pain as a brain sensation--electrical activity, if you will.
Ergo, death by starvation, injection...or flamethrower would result in the same end via alternate means.

If there's no electrical activity in her brain, then how is she breathing? The brain controls the autonomic nervous system. If a brain dead person is disconnected from a ventilator, the heart will also stop.
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