Has the Schiavo case Become a Political Football?

Cycloptichorn wrote:

A right to LIVE? She's not alive!

Do you realize the difference between existence and life?

Cycloptichorn

I do not recognize your expert status to diagnose her, nor do I consider either of our opinions relevant. That is for Terri's next of kin to decide and I don't believe that is (or should be) Michael.

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woiyo wrote:

Yet, both the dems and repup's are having a field day with the politics of their own agendas.

How are the Dems' having a "field day" with the politics of their own agenda when it has been ALL Republican neocons ALL the time shoving their personal ideologies into our faces?

Although, to be fair, the Dems have done a horrendous job of presenting a case of state's rights vs. federal intervention and specific legislation designed to rally a party's constituency. That this woman is being used as a political ploy by mostly Republicans is disgusting and should be immediately addressed by the opposing party. But the passion just isn't there.

The Dems have become more insignificant than at any other time in my memory.

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OCCOM BILL wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:
A right to LIVE? She's not alive!

Do you realize the difference between existence and life?

Cycloptichorn
I do not recognize your expert status to diagnose her, nor do I consider either of our opinions relevant. That is for Terri's next of kin to decide and I don't believe that is (or should be) Michael.

Do you recognize Bill Frist's "expert" status to diagnose Terry based on watching a video? Do you also agree with Bill Frist that sweat and tears can also spread AIDS?

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And one more question:

Is this how you'd want to live the remaining years of your life?

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Cycloptichorn wrote:

A right to LIVE? She's not alive!

Do you realize the difference between existence and life?

Cycloptichorn

Who are you to make that determination? Who is the Federal Govt to make that determination? Who is the State Govt to make that determination?

The focus on this case IMO s/b on WHO gets to make the decision.

Just because someone's condition does not meet YOUR definition of existance/life, they should die??? Someone with MS who is confined to bed, can not speak or feed themselves, in your view should be put to death?

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I do not recognize your expert status to diagnose her, nor do I consider either of our opinions relevant. That is for Terri's next of kin to decide and I don't believe that is (or should be) Michael.

I don't consider myself expert enough to diagnose her either, Bill. But those who ARE experts HAVE made a diagnosis. On what basis are we non-experts to challenge their diagnosis?

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But the woman lies dying in a way unbefitting of an animal or a vicious criminal

This is quite false.

Either on one hand, she is conscious and aware, and therefore has been stuck inside a horrible prison of a body for 15 years, in which case any death would undoubtedly be a blessed release;

or, she can't feel a thing, and therefore won't suffer at all.

It's not immoral or unbefitting in the slightest.

Cycloptichorn

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Didn't Terri Schiavo's brother and sister confirm that she would not wish to live in a persistent vegitative state?

For those who oppose removing the feeding tube:

Under what circumstances would you support the removal of the feeding tube?

Would you continue to oppose the removal if her wishes were explicitly stated in a living will that she would not want to persist in a vegitative state?

What if her parents agreed that that would have been her wish, but they continued fighting to keep the feeding tube? Would you still support them?

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An open letter to Tom DeLay, regarding custody of a Chihuahua (please read story from link before continuing):

http://stevegilliard.blogspot.com/2005/03/congress-must-act-today.html

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Speaker DeLay, you must help this family keep their dog from the evil Galantes. We of the pro-dog movement believe that every dog belongs with it's owner and not the vile kidnappers who would steal that dog for their own nefarious ends, like making puppy chow with real puppies or an illegal breeding facility.

The Galantes are vile dognappers looking for an insurance payout. Why they may even murder the dog. And look, look at the brain scans of the dog, it's still viable and respond to it's owners. Those nasty Galantes didn't even feed their dog. Who knows what would happen to our Taco if they were to have him back.

They gave that dog away and now they want it back, they want to return that dog to a life of unbearable poverty and strife. We have provided him with a decent home and we love him more.

So we must help this innocent family recover their precious dog from these liars. The dog, whan asked, says "Hooooommmmmeeee, hooooommmmeee". How can we remain indifferent to such an act of cruelty. The baby Jesus weeps for the Workman family and we must help them.

So you must call Congress into session to protect our dog. We need our rights protected.

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Who are you to make that determination? Who is the Federal Govt to make that determination? Who is the State Govt to make that determination?

The focus on this case IMO s/b on WHO gets to make the decision.

Just because someone's condition does not meet YOUR definition of existance/life, they should die??? Someone with MS who is confined to bed, can not speak or feed themselves, in your view should be put to death?

Fortuantely, we have doctors to make this decision for us. They have made the decision that Terri is in a PVS. Who are you to say that they are wrong, Woiyo?

Given that the experts have agreed that she is in a PVS, a Persistent Vegatative State, then Terri Schiavo cannot be said to be alive in the way that most humans are alive. Her body is alive but her brain isn't.

Therefore; there is no purpose in continuing this charade of 'life' any longer... I wouldn't want to live that way, neither would you, neither would any sane person. Terri's parents aren't thinking of their daughter; they are thinking of themselves, and it's sad to watch.

Cycloptichorn

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Dookiestix wrote:

Do you recognize Bill Frist's "expert" status to diagnose Terry based on watching a video? Do you also agree with Bill Frist that sweat and tears can also spread AIDS?

No and no. Isn't there enough threads dedicated to bashing Republican though? Rolling Eyes

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Is this how you'd want to live the remaining years of your life?

Any answer to that question would be irrelevant. I've previously stated I would not prefer to be killed were I in Terri's condition. Since I don't believe in life after death; any chance of any life is preferable to none as far as I'm concerned. But, like I said, that's irrelevant. Frankly, IMHO, so are all of our opinions about what should be Terri's parent's decision.

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OCCOM BILL wrote:

Couldn't a higher court rule that Terri's most fundamental constitutional rights would be violated by Florida Law's failure to address the estrangement of her husband as it relates to her next of kin status and therefore rule that her constitutional rights trump what they consider faulty Florida Legislation and even ask that Florida Legislators remedy their faulty Legislation... all without violating the sanctity of law?

As I understand it, this case has already been rejected by more than one federal court -- that's why everyone had to interrupt their vacations and write a new law specifically for this one individual. That is, I think, fairly strong evidence for the view that, under the facts and the law of this case, there is no issue regarding federal constitutional rights.

OCCOM BILL wrote:

Touché. It appears she's getting above and beyond the consideration anyone could have reasonably hoped for. I was referring to previous and possibly future precedent, not this unprecedented flurry of activity.

If the state decides that criminals should have more rights than non-criminals, the correct approach would be for you to agitate in favor of changing the law. The incorrect approach would be to urge judges to ignore the law, as it stands, and decide a case based upon what you think the law ought to be.

As it is, I see nothing particularly objectionable about criminals having more or different rights than non-criminals. Prison inmates, for instance, are entitled to free food, lodging, and medical care. Would that we were all so lucky.

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OCCOM BILL wrote:

Dookiestix wrote:
Do you recognize Bill Frist's "expert" status to diagnose Terry based on watching a video? Do you also agree with Bill Frist that sweat and tears can also spread AIDS?
No and no. Isn't there enough threads dedicated to bashing Republican though?

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Is this how you'd want to live the remaining years of your life?
Any answer to that question would be irrelevant. I've previously stated I would not prefer to be killed were I in Terri's condition. Since I don't believe in life after death; any chance of any life is preferable to none as far as I'm concerned. But, like I said, that's irrelevant. Frankly, IMHO, so are all of our opinions about what should be Terri's parent's decision.

This isn't Republican bashing. It's calling the Republicans for what they are and what they are currently doing. It is also a call on the extraordinary disinformation that our nations highest leaders are willing to spew forth in order to fool the American people. And it's par for the course from this corrupt party.

So, if you were in a PVS, you would prefer being kept alive until...? What if your insurance ran out? What then?

Unfortunately, this is a no-win situation for everybody involved. That is the saddest part of this whole affair. I feel for BOTH Terry's parents AND Michael, who in the beginning did everything he could to save her from becoming a permanent vegetable. When he, and many of the doctors, saw that to be impossible, this was the next logical course.

Terry's parents should be more forthcoming and honest as to why they insist on keeping her alive (I don't believe they are, IMHO), rather than mirror the Republican talking points, which become most pervasive in every aspect of the media these days. Certain Senate leaders should be held fully accountable for their comments, and should instead offer up an honest diaologue on this issue, which isn't just about euthanasia, but about living trusts, wills, consent, etc.

This has become ALL political. And it's the sickest thing I've witnessed coming from one party since I can remember...

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Cycloptichorn wrote:

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Fortuantely, we have doctors to make this decision for us. They have made the decision that Terri is in a PVS. Who are you to say that they are wrong, Woiyo?

Given that the experts have agreed that she is in a PVS, a Persistent Vegatative State, then Terri Schiavo cannot be said to be alive in the way that most humans are alive. Her body is alive but her brain isn't.

Therefore; there is no purpose in continuing this charade of 'life' any longer... I wouldn't want to live that way, neither would you, neither would any sane person. Terri's parents aren't thinking of their daughter; they are thinking of themselves, and it's sad to watch.

Cycloptichorn

From my perspective, she breaths unsassisted, her heart pumps without assistance. Who is to say that a cure will not be found next week, next month, next year? Why now after 13 years is it "time to pull the plug?"

Do not speak for me. My living will basicly says take every and all extraordinary means to keep me alive.

Where there is life, there is hope. That decision must not be made by MD's or politicians, but from her parents (in this case).

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woiyo wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:
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Fortuantely, we have doctors to make this decision for us. They have made the decision that Terri is in a PVS. Who are you to say that they are wrong, Woiyo?

Given that the experts have agreed that she is in a PVS, a Persistent Vegatative State, then Terri Schiavo cannot be said to be alive in the way that most humans are alive. Her body is alive but her brain isn't.

Therefore; there is no purpose in continuing this charade of 'life' any longer... I wouldn't want to live that way, neither would you, neither would any sane person. Terri's parents aren't thinking of their daughter; they are thinking of themselves, and it's sad to watch.

Cycloptichorn

Do not speak for me. My living will basicly says take every and all extraordinary means to keep me alive.

And when your insurance runs out?

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Dookiestix wrote:

woiyo wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
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Fortuantely, we have doctors to make this decision for us. They have made the decision that Terri is in a PVS. Who are you to say that they are wrong, Woiyo?

Given that the experts have agreed that she is in a PVS, a Persistent Vegatative State, then Terri Schiavo cannot be said to be alive in the way that most humans are alive. Her body is alive but her brain isn't.

Therefore; there is no purpose in continuing this charade of 'life' any longer... I wouldn't want to live that way, neither would you, neither would any sane person. Terri's parents aren't thinking of their daughter; they are thinking of themselves, and it's sad to watch.

Cycloptichorn

Do not speak for me. My living will basicly says take every and all extraordinary means to keep me alive.

And when your insurance runs out?

Personal assets. And if they run out then the family bank kicks in.

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So you'd want your family to bear the burden of keeping your empty shell alive for years? No thanks, I like my family.

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From my perspective, she breaths unsassisted, her heart pumps without assistance.

As was stated earlier; you are in no position to make a judgement about whether or not she is alive. The only ones who are in a position are medical experts, who have done so. Therefore; what is your argument?

Cycloptichorn

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From a personal perspective, since you bring up my family, last year, we finally buried my mother after a 10 year battle with MS. The last 5 years, she was confined to bed, needed help eating sometimes we had to put a feeding tube in. Yet, she was able to breath unassisted and recognize her family, especially her grandchildren and great grandchildren.

We did what we had to do no matter the cost. We did so out of love of family and a chance that some miracle, however remote, might occur.

The "expert MD's" wrote her off 3 times and recommended we do not take extraordinary measures. They had no personal stake in the matter so their opinion was noted and ignored.

Finally, my only argument has been stated in my prior posts.

IMO, the State court ruled incorrectly in providing for the "former" husband to rule on her care. IMO, he forfieted that right when he abandonded her and started a new life with another women. Therefore, the decision and cost should go to the parents.

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"...and recognize her family..." And what makes you think Terri recognizes anybody having diagnosed as having PVS?

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cicerone imposter wrote:

"...and recognize her family..." And what makes you think Terri recognizes anybody having diagnosed as having PVS?

No one REALLY knows for sure.

What is your point?

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