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Do you think God is an egoist?

 
 
Reply Sun 16 Sep, 2018 08:14 am
this question goes to the athiest. i would like to have their own opinion and i would be grateful, whatever the reply, as long as its genuine. Here it is: if there was a CREATOR do you think then that he is egocentric?
 
fresco
 
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Reply Sun 16 Sep, 2018 11:44 am
@steven bill,
No. Abiogenic.
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Leadfoot
 
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Reply Sun 16 Sep, 2018 01:32 pm
@steven bill,
Yes, of course God is egocentric. As are we. The mystery is, why do we often beat ourselves up over it and feel guilty about it.
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laughoutlood
 
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Reply Sun 16 Sep, 2018 08:52 pm
@steven bill,
No, if there is a creator then chauvinistic theomorphism is understandable given his impeccability.

If wishes were horses, beggars would ride.
If turnips were watches, I'd wear one by my side.
If "if's" and "and's" were pots and pans,
There'd be no work for tinkers' hands.
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hingehead
 
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Reply Sun 16 Sep, 2018 10:14 pm
Well, judging from the old testament, egoism would be one of his/her/its lesser flaws.

A massively insecure psychopath? An incredibly stupid omniscience?

Basically a text book case of what wrong with fan fiction.
camlok
 
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Reply Mon 17 Sep, 2018 10:03 am
@hingehead,
Of what use is it to malign someone/something that doesn't exist?
chai2
 
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Reply Mon 17 Sep, 2018 10:34 am
@camlok,
Because you never know what comment about that non existant thing might make a believer in it ask some questions.

I wonder how history would have been different if characters like abraham, moses and muhammed questioned the voices in their head, and there was mental health available.

Leadfoot
 
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Reply Mon 17 Sep, 2018 11:16 am
@chai2,
Ahhh... so you're an evangelical atheist.

Happy hunting..
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camlok
 
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Reply Mon 17 Sep, 2018 11:52 am
@chai2,
Quote:
I wonder how history would have been different if characters like abraham, moses and muhammed questioned the voices in their head, and there was mental health available.


This applies to most Americans too, chai. And most westerners.
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hingehead
 
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Reply Mon 17 Sep, 2018 04:19 pm
@camlok,
It's an intellectual exercise - you've never been in a class that reads a novel and explores a character's motivations? Never talked about a movie?

What an odd life you must have Cam.
camlok
 
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Reply Mon 17 Sep, 2018 04:25 pm
@hingehead,
Quote:
It's an intellectual exercise - you've never been in a class that reads a novel and explores a character's motivations? Never talked about a movie?


Mmmmm.

If this is such an important thing, if these intellectual exercises are so central to your own life, why are you such a coward about discussing real life events that you have seen yourself?
najmelliw
 
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Reply Mon 17 Sep, 2018 04:35 pm
@steven bill,
Nah. For starters, if there was only ONE creator (as most major religions these days seem to propagate, monotheistic as they are), how could this creator be egocentric? If there is no other being around to give attention to: as a matter of fact, if there is NOTHING AT ALL (since this is the creator, it must have started from scratch), how could it not give all it's attention to oneself? Does that qualify as being egocentric? I don't think so, because it's not a state of mind that is being described: it's the actual state of existence that is being described...

If there are other creators out there, then the act of creation implied some form of cooperation, a division of tasks in regards to the creation process. I don't see where that is exactly egocentric.

However, if there were two or more creators, and yet one of them convinces the sentient beings they created that it was, in fact, the sole creator and should be the only one to receive worship? Yes, that would be egocentric.

For the record, I don't qualify myself as an atheist. I am more of an agnost.
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hingehead
 
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Reply Mon 17 Sep, 2018 10:10 pm
@camlok,
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If this is such an important thing, if these intellectual exercises are so central to your own life, why are you such a coward about discussing real life events that you have seen yourself?

I have no idea what you are talking about, but I look forward to being enlightened.

PS 'central to my life'? you are usually better than straw man arguments Cam.
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Ragman
 
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Reply Tue 18 Sep, 2018 07:58 am
@steven bill,
Absurd question and shows a profound lack of understanding of atheism and as well as philosophy. As an atheist there is a fundamental disbelief in any possibility of the existence of a supreme being. As that is the case, how could there be any attribution to this nonexistent being having a personality of any sort. Furthermore if atheists are wrong and a supreme being exists, why would there be a need to have an ego in the first place? Being a supreme being there would be no need of an ego, much less an inflated one.
chai2
 
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Reply Tue 18 Sep, 2018 10:27 am
@Ragman,
Actually ragman , it’s not a disbelief in any possibility. It’s not believing based on lack of current evidence. Just sayin’.
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Tue 18 Sep, 2018 12:21 pm
@Ragman,
Quote:
if atheists are wrong and a supreme being exists, why would there be a need to have an ego in the first place?

From the OP, I would assume 'ego' is being used in the philosophical sense.

Quote:
Ego:
PHILOSOPHY
(in metaphysics) a conscious thinking subject.

So of course God if he exists would have to be one.
Being egocentric merely means you see the world/universe primarily from your own perspective. You really have no other choice about that. Neither would God.

Quote:
Being a supreme being there would be no need of an ego, much less an inflated one.

Yes, in this sense of ego, the evidence supports your contention.
God obviously does not require that you even believe that he exists. In the sense of ego meaning 'conceited', that is about as 'ego free' as you can get.
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coluber2001
 
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Reply Tue 18 Sep, 2018 01:05 pm
God only exists to an egoless person since the divine experience is the experience of the whole and the ego is the breaking of the whole into parts.

The ego forms an image of god, but that is always a mistake. It's sort of like the idea of love is not the same thing as love. So, one can say, " I believe in love or I don't believe in love," but neither is actual love, since love is a subjective experience. The Divine is a subjective experience and belief or non-belief has nothing to do with it.

For as Heinrich Zimmer said, "The most important thing can't be talked about, and the second most important things refer to the first, and they are always misunderstood."
Ragman
 
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Reply Wed 19 Sep, 2018 06:10 am
@chai2,
Respectfully, I disagree. That would be the definition of agnosticism - not atheism.
chai2
 
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Reply Wed 19 Sep, 2018 11:36 am
@Ragman,
But wouldn’t it be closed minded to say there could never be something to prove the existence? I’m not saying it’s at all likely of course. But if at some point verifiable evidence was presented, one would have no choice but to examine it, test it and if it passes all, accept it. To not do so would put someone in the same catagory as someone who uses faith as proof.

Leadfoot
 
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Reply Wed 19 Sep, 2018 11:54 am
@chai2,
I’m down with that.
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