Do you think God is an egoist?

@chai2,

Evidence, examination, testing, that's in regard to knowledge, which the word "agnostic" covers and means not knowing.

"Atheist" is in regard to belief. Which is having to do with conviction. I don't see how one could believe in something one doesn't have knowledge about.

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@InfraBlue,

Atheist is not a belief. It's withholding belief until something can be proved.

Atheism is not a belief that gods do not exist, or a denial of gods; it is a lack of belief in gods.

If you lack a belief in something, that indicates that there could be circumstances where you would believe.

To catagorically state I don't believe, rather than I lack belief, closes all doors to future discovery.

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@chai2,

I find this sums it up:

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@hingehead,

Good one hingie.

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IRL on the odd occassion that the subject comes up, I just say "I'm not religious" The primary reason I say that is that it shuts the other person up the vast majority of the time.

Which is all I really care about.

They can make their own assumptions about what that means. It's unimportant to me what they end up thinking about that. If they continue to go on about whatever they were saying, at least they know I'm not paying attention.

I don't want to give myself any labels, but I suppose what others would see me as if they just had to pigeon hole me is an apatheist. It's not what I call myself. I call myself Chai.

I just don't care, and it doesn't make any difference if there is or isn't a god, or gods.

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@hingehead,

Frankie Boyle says it better.

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@InfraBlue,

I didn't say atheist is a belief. I said atheist is in regard to belief, i.e. it concerns belief. In this case, the lack thereof.

One can say, I don't believe and at a later time, with convincing evidence, say I do believe. "I don't believe" is a statement about the present, not the future.

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@InfraBlue,

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"I don't believe" is a statement about the present, not the future.

False. The present simple tense in English is used to describe the general condition, one that is reflective of our present condition, with our future probably like that of now.

I don't live in Copenhagen entails that that is likely to be the case for the future also.

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@camlok,

camlok wrote:

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"I don't believe" is a statement about the present, not the future.

False. The present simple tense in English is used to describe the general condition, one that is reflective of our present condition, with our future probably like that of now.

I don't live in Copenhagen entails that that is likely to be the case for the future also.

Yeah, the general condition, presently. It doesn't speak to the future, nor does it make assumptions thereof.

Also, the implication that it indicates a closed mind, "closed door," is erroneous as well.

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@InfraBlue,

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Yeah, the general condition, presently. It doesn't speak to the future, nor does it make assumptions thereof.

His moniker is InfraBlue.

I bet it will be tomorrow, and in a week, a month, a year from now. It is a wholly reasonable assumption that we all make because that is what the present simple of the present condition tells every native speaker of English, including children, who understand this very thing which you deny.

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@camlok,

Your moniker was JTT. You would have bet incorrectly on your assumptions. Children make fallacious assumptions all the time.

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@InfraBlue,

You are arguing on though you have nothing to support your usually specious arguments. Certainly the general condition can change.

But even children know that when one says they like [present simple for the general condition] chocolate ice cream that they expect that same like to exist on into the future.

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Children make fallacious assumptions all the time.

Not about how the grammar of English works. That is for silly prescriptivists like you, InfraBlue. I know your general condition on the English language and I know that I will see this same silly general condition continued on into the future and I know that these same silly ideas will issue from the mouth of the same InfraBlue.

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@camlok,

You undermined your own assertions and are merely grasping at straws JTT/camlok/whatever.

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@InfraBlue,

Because you have provide such brilliant evidence and top notch rational discussion.

The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about. - Wayne Dyer

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@InfraBlue,

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I didn't say atheist is a belief. I said atheist is in regard to belief, i.e. it concerns belief. In this case, the lack thereof.

It seems that the atheist would have an image or concept, perhaps the same image as the believer, but the atheist disbelieves it.

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@coluber2001,

You can't have it both ways, claim it's not a belief then bang on about it all the time, claim followers who are not there and constantly try to convert people.

If it walks like a duck etc etc.

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@izzythepush,

So stating your position is 'banging on about it all the time' and trying to convert people.

Check yourself before you wreck yourself.

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@camlok,

My evidence is the example of your own contradiction, JTT/camlok/whatever.

Where's yours, JTT/camlok/whatever? Your assertions? You yourself disproved them.

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@coluber2001,

coluber2001 wrote:

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I didn't say atheist is a belief. I said atheist is in regard to belief, i.e. it concerns belief. In this case, the lack thereof.

It seems that the atheist would have an image or concept, perhaps the same image as the believer, but the atheist disbelieves it.

I concur. It ranges from the disbelief of the traditional images from the mainstream religions of the world, which for the most part are preposterous, to the disbelief of the concepts, like those we get from Hellenic philosophy, that tend to be paradoxes and are ultimately unnecessary.

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I think the term 'Celebrity Atheists' in that video a few posts back says it all.

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@hingehead,

What religious viewpoint have I ever advocated?

You tried to claim that Britons who said they had no religion were atheists despite atheism being one of the options available.

Did you watch Frankie Boyle's video. I'm quite happy to accept that his atheism is not a religion, but Ricky Gervais?

He even made a film to promote his religious ideology. If you don't want to be considered religious stop acting like an evangelist. You can't get much more evangelical than Gervais.

And he's petty. He blocked the kid on twitter just because the kid praised Spencer Jones performance on Upstart Crow.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dg8J4OYXcAAr0fv.jpg

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