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Could Mohammed add up?

 
 
Reply Fri 11 Mar, 2005 06:25 am
How many days did it take to create the Heavens and the Earth?

Quran-7:54: Your guardian-Lord is Allah who created the heavens and earth in Six Days

Quran-10:3: Verily your Lord is Allah, who created the heavens and earth in Six Days

The above verses clearly state that Allah ( God) created the heavens and the Earth in 6 days. But the verses below state

Quran-41:9 : Is it that ye deny Him who created the earth in Two Days ?

Quran- 41:10: He set on the (earth) Mountains standing firm high above it, and bestowed blessing on the earth, and measured therein all things to give them nourishment in due proportion, in FOUR DAYS...

Quran-41:12: So He completed them (heavens) as seven firmaments in Two days and ...

Now do the math: 2 (for earth) + 4 (for nourishment) + 2 (for heavens) = 8 days; and not 6 days.
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Fri 11 Mar, 2005 06:37 am
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And there's two different versions of creation in Genesis. And both sets of followers are likely to kill each other over which myth is the right myth, which imaginary creature has the most super powers, which tissue of suppositions will not tatter.

Please, I hope you are not seeking accuracy in fiction, it's just believability that counts.

Joe(I believe there was a committee of alien creatures)Nation
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Fri 11 Mar, 2005 07:50 am
Is this supposed to be a Jesus vs. Mohammed thread?

Wow! what an interestig idea. I am sure there will be pleny of good points made in a very polite way that will lead to productive discussion and mutual respect and understanding for all.

I join in...

My religion is better than your religion. So there.
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Fri 11 Mar, 2005 03:01 pm
Um, Ebrown, I don't think we are voting yet, but I have to disagree with it being a Jesus versus Mohammed thread, that wouldn't be fair. Mohammed was just a prophet of God whereas Jesus was God Incarnate, so it should be at least a God against God thread.

Or maybe, to be really fair, we should list all the Gods, gods, demi-gods, spirits, hoo-doos that are worshipped, prayed to, venerated, or otherwise set in some persons mind as real today. Then we could rank them in order of several criteria that I would like to have your help in suggesting, maybe number of followers, poundage of literature associated with, number of hit movies made based on teachings or events, tonnage of architectural structures raised in honor of, just to name a few possibilities.

Oh, and then we could deal with all the errors and mis-steps made in the unerring and sacred texts, like Steve (as 4100) wanted to do.

I'm not sure but this may be a record for hyjacking a thread.

Joe(My Aunt worships her cat, Woody, but I don't think that counts.)Nation
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Fri 11 Mar, 2005 04:57 pm
Oh, and then we could deal with all the errors and mis-steps made in the unerring and sacred texts, like Steve (as 4100) wanted to do.

errors, what errors?

n'est pas possible

and its steve as 41oo asyou should know by now. but to err is human...
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Fri 11 Mar, 2005 05:27 pm
ohmygwash! I think I have insulted the Sun God or the Sun Kid or the Child Sun God or whatever that poster said at the Museum. So I guess I have to prepare for the boils, frogs, blood in the river, no wait, that was the other God that did that to Egyptians..... so what happens now?

Joe(wrapping rosary beads around his fist) Nation
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Fri 11 Mar, 2005 05:50 pm
Which sacred text are you asking us to disillusion you about Steve?
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Rancid
 
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Reply Fri 11 Mar, 2005 07:30 pm
Maybe Mohammed made a typo when he was writing the Quran? Hate those damn typos...
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Sat 12 Mar, 2005 05:22 am
You need not fear the wrath of the Underworld Joe.

Mis read your post last night...after I'd been actively participating in another thread entitled "BEER".

My purpose in starting this thread was simply to point out the absurdity of taking a book, it could be any book but it happens to be the koran, as the PERFECT AND ABSOLUTE word of God when it contains such an obvious mistake.
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Sat 12 Mar, 2005 08:27 am
... and is the implication there is another PERFECT AND ABSOLUTE word of God that doesn't contain such obvious mistakes?

It seems to me that relying on any book as the perfect and absolute word of God is foolish.
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theantibuddha
 
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Reply Sun 13 Mar, 2005 05:22 am
Re: Could Mohammed add up?
Steve (as 41oo) wrote:
Allah ( God) created the heavens and the Earth in 6 days.

Now do the math: 2 (for earth) + 4 (for nourishment) + 2 (for heavens) = 8 days; and not 6 days.


So which is it, 6000 years or 8000 years Wink

Sorry, bad theodicy joke.
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Merry Andrew
 
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Reply Sun 13 Mar, 2005 05:57 am
You'll have to excuse me from this discussion. As a woshipper of Quetzalcoatl, I have to go prepare my human scrifice for this morning's worship. Can't start a Sunday morning without disemboweling a virgin. The Plumed Serpent wouldn't like that. Ciao.
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Sun 13 Mar, 2005 06:16 am
Well, are we going to make the list of Gods or not? Do I have to do everything myself? Are we really alone here in the Universe or are we eggy to ashhill with divinity? I want to make a list of all them. Shall I start here or on a new thread?

Joe(Iamwhoam)Nation
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theantibuddha
 
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Reply Sun 13 Mar, 2005 06:57 am
Joe Nation wrote:
Well, are we going to make the list of Gods or not? Do I have to do everything myself?


I didn't realise we were supposed to be making a list of Gods, but okay, here is my humble offering to begin with.

Aakuluujjusi, Abassi, Adnoartina, Allah, Altjira, Anansi, Antinous, Anubis, Aphrodite, Apis, Apollo, Apophis, Ares, Athena, Azrail

Baal, Baast, Balder, Brigid, Bumba, Bunyip

Calypso, Chantico, Chronos, Coatlicue

Daghda, Danu, Dao, Dionysis

Einganga, Elegua, Eshu

Feng-du

Gaia, Ganymede, Guan-yu

Hades, Hel, Hera, Hermes, Horus, Huitzilopoctl

Isis

Jehovah, Jesus, Jupiter

Kane, Kokopelli, Kwatee

Logos, Lokii, Lugh

Mars, Mazda, Medb, Mercury, Mictlan, Mielikki, Mithras

Neptune

Obatala, Odin, Olorun, Orisha, Osiris

Poseidon, Ptar

Quetzacoatl

Ra

Satan, Serapis, Set, Sobek, Sokar, Sophis

Tane, Tezcatlipoca, Thor, Thoth, Tiki, Tlaloc

Uenuku, Ulopoka

Vainamoinon, Venus

Wakan-Tanka, Wandjina

Yahweh, Yemaya

Zeus, Zhao-Gongming

Ummmm..... That's all I can think of, most are from memory so forgive the bad spelling.
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Sun 13 Mar, 2005 07:45 am
That is very impressive indeed anti,

But the question is-- Out of all of these gods and godesses, were there any that could produce a sacred text that didn't contain logical or mathematical errors?

<<goes to dig out copy of Pop Vohl>>
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Sun 13 Mar, 2005 07:48 am
I just remembered this old song....

Pete Seeger wrote:

THAT (REAL) OLD TIME RELIGION

Chorus:
Give me that Old Time Religion,
Give me that Old Time Religion,
Give me that Old Time Religion ...
It's good enough for me!

We will pray to Aphrodite, she's beautiful but flighty.
In her silken see-thru nightie she's good enough for me.

We will pray to Zarathrustra, pray just like we used-to,
I'm a Zarathrustra booster, he's good enough for me.

We will pray just like the Druids, drinking strange fermented fluids,
Go dancing naked through the woods, they're good enough for me.

We will pray to the god Buddha, of gods there is none cuter,
Come in silver, brass or pewter, he's good enough for me.

We will pray with those Egyptians, who built pyramids to put our crypts in
Covered up with strange inscriptions, they're good enough for me.

We will pray to Ra and Ahmen just like Tutankhamen,
And teach our friends embalming, they're good enough for me.

Hare Krishna he must be laughed on, to see me dressed in saffron,
With my hair only half-on he's good enough for me.

I will rise up at early morning, when my Lord gives me the warning,
That the solar age is dawning, he's good enough for me.

We won't worship like the Persians, we'll sacrifice no virgins,
Please control your carnal urgin's, it's good enough for me.

We will all worship the Mother, not the womb of any other.
Virgin, crone and mother, she's good enough for me.

We will pray for New Age Aquarians, and hang out in Planetariums,
Lotta um are Unitarians, they're good enough for me.

We will pray to a god named Odin, in their wooden boats go floatin'
Filled Europe with forbodin' he's good enough for me.

We will pray to the Quakers, oft confused with the Shakers,
Of war they are not makers, they're good enough for me.

We will pray to the god Shiva, the one with many sleeva's
Who destroys all disbelivas, he's good enough for me.

We will pray to Reverend Moony, all our friends will think we're loony.
As we sing this crazy tune-y, but he's good enough for me.

[extra verses from who knows where]

Let us raise a toast to Bachus, We will raise a royal ruckus,
Then we'll lay us down and f**k us - That's good enough for me.

Shall we sing in praise of Loki, Though he left poor Midgard smokey?
Oh, his sense of humor's hokey, But he's good enough for me.

It was good enough for Loki, The old Norse god of chaos,
Which is why this verse doesn't rhyme or scan, But it's good enough for me!

Montezuma liked to start out. Rites by carrying a part out
That would really tear your heart out, But it's good enough for me!

It was good enough for Odin Though the tremblin' got forbodin'
Then the giants finally strode in, But it's good enough for me.

Shall we sing a verse for Thor, Though he leaves the maidens sore?
They always come back for more, So he's good enough for me!

It was good enough for Venus, Of the Gods she is the meanest
And she bit me on my ... elbow But she's good enough for me!

Meeting at the Witching Hour By the Bud and Branch and Flower
Folks are raising up the power And that's where I want to be.
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theantibuddha
 
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Reply Sun 13 Mar, 2005 08:02 am
ebrown_p wrote:
Out of all of these gods and godesses, were there any that could produce a sacred text that didn't contain logical or mathematical errors?


None that I know. Then again 99% of those that I listed never claimed to be omnipotent, omniscient or omnibenevolent. A bit more powerful than mortals but they admitted that they made mistakes.

Thor probably had trouble counting his own toes though he was a mighty warrior.
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smorgs
 
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Reply Sun 13 Mar, 2005 08:15 am
Your soo asking for a fatwah steve...
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Merry Andrew
 
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Reply Sun 13 Mar, 2005 12:34 pm
anti and ebrown -- I am sooo impressed. Really. (love the song, brownie, just love it.)
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Mon 14 Mar, 2005 12:09 pm
ebrown wrote

"But the question is-- Out of all of these gods and godesses, were there any that could produce a sacred text that didn't contain logical or mathematical errors?"

My point exactly ebrown. Out of that list, could any of them actually add up?
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