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Shep Smith: Journalists are not the enemy of the people

 
 
vikorr
 
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Reply Wed 6 Feb, 2019 05:19 pm
@cicerone imposter,
That was interesting. I'd never actually read anything about Washington before - other than knowing he was your first president.
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livinglava
 
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Reply Wed 6 Feb, 2019 05:22 pm
@vikorr,
vikorr wrote:

Thanks for one of the funniest takes on why a blue collar worker should know how to lead a nation, navigate foreign affairs etc, that I have ever seen. Because if he doesn't have all those skills, the country will become a fascist state Laughing

A democratic republic has to be a society of equals. If blue collar workers don't have ideas about how to do what government does, how can they weigh in on government policy or even vote?

Maybe there should be a return to poll exams to prevent mindless sheeple from going to the polls to elect authoritarian leaders who will validate their will to shirk liberty.
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vikorr
 
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Reply Wed 6 Feb, 2019 06:14 pm
Some people look at words, and think that words:
- stand alone, without context.
- disagreeing with a position, means agreeing with the opposite.
- that apply to a portion of something must apply to the rest of the whole
- etc

Usually, people only engage in/focus on/utilise this sort of nonsense behaviour when they have a position they value, and don't want to consider anything else. It's an easy way for them to distract the conversation. Oddly, they think that if they can do this (distract the conversation) 'they've won'...when all they've done is avoided / wilfully ignored the problems.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Wed 6 Feb, 2019 06:21 pm
@vikorr,
Quote:
Usually, people only engage in/focus on/utilise this sort of nonsense behaviour when they have a position they value, and don't want to consider anything else. It's an easy way for them to distract the conversation. Oddly, they think that if they can do this (distract the conversation) 'they've won'...when all they've done is avoided / wilfully ignored the problems.

First the narrative, now a stinging assessment of Political Correctness and what it has done.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Wed 6 Feb, 2019 08:30 pm
@vikorr,
terrific listen (but long - you need an hour where you have time to really listen)

https://www.cbc.ca/radio/ideas/journalism-s-knife-fight-fact-vs-truth-1.5008082

Ideas always has interesting/sometimes controversial programming.

Quote:
While the idea that we're living in a post-truth era is still highly contested, there is greater agreement that facts themselves have also become contestable. Belief and feeling have sideswiped facts, especially when it comes to news stories about politics. IDEAS producer Naheed Mustafa examines the increasingly elastic and unsettling relationship between facts and truth.

In the old days of broadcast news, information would arrive promptly at the supper hour. Each evening, families would tune into their channel of choice and take in the day's news as a list of trustworthy facts.

Twenty-four hours later, those facts would be updated or corrected as need be. It was a simpler time to navigate the world and be confident in what you knew.


Contrast that scenario with today's constant and unending digital churn of news and opinion that updates minute to minute.

Reporting and editorializing bleed into each other, sometimes bolstering each other, sometimes cancelling each other out. Original sources of information are often hard to figure out. It makes for a loud, chaotic, and often stupefying landscape.

"The Truth" has always been contested territory. We know that one person's version of the same event will differ from another's. There's perspective, and bias, and slant.

But what about the other kind of truth – the verifiable kind we call facts? Even the notion of verifiability has become slippery.

In all of this, journalists are still trying to do what they've always done: report the facts. But how does one do that in a time when the relationship between fact and truth is stretched so thinly that even a gentle pull could rupture it all together?


Guests in this episode:

Daniel Dale is the Washington bureau chief for The Toronto Star, and the author of the Trump Fact Check project.
Carlin Romano is professor of philosophy at the University of Pennsylvania.
Lindsay Fitzgerald is a documentary filmmaker.
Amanda Rogers is a visiting assistant professor of humanities at Colgate University.


there are some short listening clips at the link - hopefully it will tempt you to listen to the full piece
coldjoint
 
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Reply Wed 6 Feb, 2019 08:52 pm
@ehBeth,
Quote:
IDEAS producer Naheed Mustafa

That is all I need to see. More high minded bullshit to confuse anyone and everyone. By all means, listen to another piss poor excuse for losing and why he rules are different for Leftists. Propaganda on the grand scale. You do not have to thank me.
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neptuneblue
 
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Reply Thu 29 Aug, 2019 05:08 pm
Fox News Stars Push Back as Trump Demands Loyalty: We Don’t ‘Work for You’

The president on Wednesday morning had a tantrum about the network giving coverage to Democrats. Fox News, he said, “isn’t working for us anymore!”

Justin Baragona
Updated 08.28.19 6:49PM ET / Published 08.28.19 1:54PM ET

Several Fox News personalities pushed back Wednesday against President Donald Trump after he escalated his public attacks on the right-leaning outlet for its occasional anti-Trump voices.

In the middle of a typically chaotic tweetstorm spurred on by his morning TV viewing habits, the president took aim at Fox News anchor Sandra Smith for having the audacity to bring on the Democratic National Committee’s communications director Xochitl Hinojosa to discuss the upcoming Democratic primary debate.

“Just watched @FoxNews heavily promoting the Democrats through their DNC Communications Director, spewing out whatever she wanted with zero pushback by anchor, @SandraSmithFox,” Trump tweeted on Wednesday. “Terrible considering that Fox couldn’t even land a debate, the Dems give them NOTHING! @CNN & @MSNBC are all in for the Open Border Socialists (or beyond).”

Besides blasting the America’s Newsroom co-anchor, Trump went after a few other Fox News stars who he has recently singled out for not carrying his water on-air.

“Fox hires ‘give Hillary the questions’ @donnabrazile, Juan Williams and low ratings Shep Smith. HOPELESS & CLUELESS! They should go all the way LEFT and I will still find a way to Win - That’s what I do, Win,” he wrote. “Too Bad!”

The president concluded his online tantrum by complaining that Fox News was “letting millions of GREAT people down” and that he needs to “start looking for a new News Outlet” since the one-time “Fair & Balanced” channel “isn’t working for us anymore!”

Almost immediately after the president’s tweets, Fox News senior political analyst and former news anchor Brit Hume sounded off: “Fox News isn’t supposed to work for you,” he wrote.


Brit Hume

@brithume
Fox News isn’t supposed to work for you. https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1166712943196680193

Donald J. Trump

@realDonaldTrump
....I don’t want to Win for myself, I only want to Win for the people. The New @FoxNews is letting millions of GREAT people down! We have to start looking for a new News Outlet. Fox isn’t working for us anymore!

29.6K
10:06 AM - Aug 28, 2019
14.4K people are talking about this

Hume wasn’t the only conservative Fox star to fire back at the president. Fox News contributor and radio host Guy Benson essentially repeated Hume’s remarks: “We don’t work for you,” he stated.


Guy Benson

@guypbenson
We don’t work for you. https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1166712943196680193

Donald J. Trump

@realDonaldTrump
....I don’t want to Win for myself, I only want to Win for the people. The New @FoxNews is letting millions of GREAT people down! We have to start looking for a new News Outlet. Fox isn’t working for us anymore!

5,325
10:08 AM - Aug 28, 2019
2,566 people are talking about this

Furthermore, Benson also said that Trump was “working the refs,” agreeing with Axios’ Sara Fischer that Trump was playing to a “fringe culture” of rabid supporters whom the president hopes would help push Fox News to intensify its already largely pro-Trump coverage.

MediaBuzz host Howard Kurtz, a former Daily Beast columnist, also took a mild swing at the president’s criticism, writing, “our job is to cover both sides.”


HowardKurtz

@HowardKurtz
Trump ratcheting up vs. Fox News after seeing DNC spox interviewed. Fox "letting millions of GREAT people down! We have to start looking for a new News Outlet. Fox isn’t working for us anymore!" But our job is to cover both sides
12:20 PM - Aug 28, 2019
108 people are talking about this

In recent months, Trump has made it a habit to regularly scorn Fox and make it appear that the network is not sufficiently loyal to him, his administration, or his followers.

Most of these attacks have centered on the so-called “straight news” division or Fox’s liberal commentators. Brazile, for example, has been a favorite target lately.

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While Trump’s recent attacks haven’t been addressed publicly by network brass, many of the news-centric figures have publicly rebuked the president. For instance, earlier this month when Trump trashed Fox’s polling, telling reporters that “Fox has changed” and he’s “not happy with it,” Special Report anchor Bret Baier said on-air, “Fox has not changed. We have a news side and an opinion side. Opinion folks express their opinions. We do polls.”

This all appears to be part of the president’s ongoing insecurities about the network’s loyalty and subservience to him. This past spring, following Fox News’ highly rated town hall with Democratic candidate Bernie Sanders, The Daily Beast reported that Trump began telling aides to “keep an eye” on Fox, expressing concerns that the network would provide even the remotest positive coverage of Democrats.

And then last month, The Daily Beast reported, Trump began grilling his closest loyalists and confidants at the network—including primetime star Sean Hannity—asking them all the same question: “What the hell is going on at Fox?"

In the end, while Trump sweats Fox’s “straight news” programming and publicly courts other alternatives, those inside Fox News actually feel the president’s repeated attacks are extremely helpful, as it allows them to rebut widespread criticism that the network often acts as “state media,” especially in light of a constantly revolving door between Fox and the White House.

“Everybody wins,” one Fox opinion-side staffer told The Daily Beast.

cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 29 Aug, 2019 11:03 pm
@neptuneblue,
Trump always demands personal loyalty, and to ignore the Constitution. Trump, "it's my way, or the highway." Some resigned, and some were fired, because being a Trump loyalist, the cost was too high. Many stuck around. Trump's non-disclosure agreement are being agreed to by many; they don't mind working for a racist, liar, scammer, and declared the "most dangerous man in the world." There isn't any adult left in his administration.
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Real Music
 
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Reply Sat 12 Oct, 2019 08:59 pm
Shocking: Anchor Shep Smith Leaves Fox News In Surprise Announcement.

Leaving viewers and the media world shell shocked, anchor Shep Smith signed off from his last show, announcing he was stepping down from the network. In his last goodbye, Smith claimed ‘the facts will win the day’ reassuring his audience ‘journalism and journalist will thrive.’ This comes as President Trump has raised recent criticism of the network, long known for their support of President Trump and his political messages, as anchors and experts on the network have called for his impeachment.

Aired on October 11, 2019

cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 14 Oct, 2019 11:54 am
@Real Music,
Not enough brave people like Shep Smith to tell it like it is. Too many are buried in their own politics to know better. I still don't understand the attraction of Donald Trump. The most ignorant man who not only fails to understand the US Constitution, but what it means to be president of this country. The most powerful man in the world asking for a favor from a foreign adversary. How dumb can any president be?
coldjoint
 
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Reply Mon 14 Oct, 2019 08:33 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
How dumb can any president be?

You will have four more years to figure that out.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 14 Oct, 2019 10:20 pm
@coldjoint,
I know for a fact, you don't depend on facts. Try reading this article on Donald Trump. He's your kind of president, but he's already been rated "worst president in history," by political scientists. https://www.factcheck.org/2019/08/president-trumps-rhetoric/ Thousands of mental health professionals declared Donald Trump, "mentally unstable and a danger to the world." You also have some mental issues for supporting a pathological liar and racist. He's told over 12,000 lies since his inauguration. What is it about Donald Trump that you respect? His cheating on all his wives? How about his history of scamming people for money? Is it his racism? How about his ignorance about the US Constitution? https://theweek.com/articles/865448/happy-constitution-day-king-trump
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 14 Oct, 2019 10:31 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Survey of scholars places Trump as third worst president of all time
coldjoint
 
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Reply Mon 14 Oct, 2019 11:24 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Only four more years.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 15 Oct, 2019 04:17 pm
@Real Music,
The problem is that, as the real journalists leave FOX, and only the talking head toadies remain (those who spin every story about Trump and make believe he knows what the hell hes doing ) , Fox bcomes more and more a "State Radio voice", which is just an echo chamber that reinforces th views of his all'' old white male vidience".

No matter what truths are uncvered, the spin doctors like Hannity will lie unscripted so Trumps bas is fed a diet of fresh lies.
Journalism has a modicum of rules regarding fact and truth, punditry does not.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Tue 15 Oct, 2019 04:43 pm
@farmerman,
Quote:
Journalism has a modicum of rules regarding fact and truth,

Not anymore.
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livinglava
 
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Reply Tue 15 Oct, 2019 05:11 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

Survey of scholars places Trump as third worst president of all time

That's just because the business of higher education is highly biased in favor of abortion due to sexual liberalism that traditionally occurs among young adults during the college years, not to mention the culture of recreational drug use, which funds the global networks of drug trafficking.

Face it, they're going to dislike anyone who is against abortion and drugs, and that is Republicans generally, but the big problem they have with Trump is that he doesn't take a middle-of-the-road stand to appease Democrats on such issues.

Any Republican who takes a staunch position with regard to sex and drugs gets hit with a massive hate campaign. It's not hard to understand why if you understand how addictive and thus expensive/lucrative those commodities are.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Tue 15 Oct, 2019 05:50 pm
@livinglava,
He still does not understand president is not evaluated until he is out of office.
farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 15 Oct, 2019 06:33 pm
@coldjoint,
youre still fulla **** but youre never in doubt
coldjoint
 
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Reply Tue 15 Oct, 2019 06:52 pm
@farmerman,
What I said is a fact. What you have is an opinion.
 

 
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