Abortion is immoral. Period.

@livinglava,

maturity? so those who kill babies are matured too.If they were matured enough why did'nt they prevent their selfs from getting pregnant.
That is ''vulgarity'' to me.

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@maxdancona,

You're not understanding Christianity as a deeper religious philosophy, but you're attributing the violence to it because the perpetrators happened to be Christian and promote it.

Think of it this way: say you're pro-choice and I'm pro-life and you kill me or torture me to convert me to your POV. Someone could look at that situation and blame pro-choice culture for being aggressive and violent, but really it was just your aggression and violence that resulted in my death and/or torture and it could have just as well been some other cause that you were pushing on me and killing me for.

Do you see the difference? If someone is converting people to veganism or capitalism or socialism or whatever, the person's aggressivity and violence doesn't come from the cause but from the person. Causes don't commit violence, people commit violence in their effort to pursue causes.

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@steven bill,

you lost me completely with this post.

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@maxdancona,

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I find it a little odd that you support an American woman's right to choose an abortion for any reason, but you would deny that right to an Indian woman because you don't respect her culture.

I support an American woman's right to choose abortion because that is her choice. In the case of the Indian woman aborting a fetus because of the sex of that fetus, that is a the choice instilled in her because of that culture's devaluation of one sex.

Here is something to put this into perspective for you. Be sure to read it all.

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/women-pregnant-girls-pressured-abortions-india/story?id=15103950

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@livinglava,

livinglava wrote:

If Spanish missionaries brought Christianity to the Americas, for example, and Spanish soldiers killed and infected people, etc. that doesn't mean that Christianity is good for the Spanish and bad for native Americans.

I wrote:

You lost me here.... in seems to me that Christianity was good for the Spanish conquistadors and quite bad for the Native Americans.

livinglava wrote:

You're not understanding Christianity as a deeper religious philosophy, but you're attributing the violence to it because the perpetrators happened to be Christian and promote it.

I am not sure I get your point.

Christianity is part of Spanish culture. Had the Spanish never come to the Americas, there would be no Christianity. The Native Americans had their own cultures and their own perfectly acceptable religious beliefs.

There is no question that the Native Americans would have been far better off if the Europeans had never come. This would mean that there would be no Christians in America.

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@Glennn,

I think there is a rather basic contradiction in your logic, Glennn. We have identified a circumstance under which you don't support a woman's right to choose.

I started another thread on the topic. I am curious about what you think the law should be restricting sex selection abortion... but this belongs on the other thread.

https://able2know.org/topic/470789-1

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@livinglava,

What are your credentials concerning religion? Do you have a degree in divinity?

Why do you ASSume people do not understand religion? It's pretentious to tell people what they think.

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@neptuneblue,

I don't assume anything about people based on who/what they are, what they have studied, etc. I read and try to understand what they are saying, and then I try to make sense of it and respond with my thoughts on it.

Why are you trying to undermine my standpoint instead of dealing with the things I am saying? If you have a different perspective on something I am talking about, why can't you just post that instead of questioning my credentials?

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@livinglava,

mature people dont abort babies simply because they dont need one at the moment.
abortion is ''vulgarity'' to me too.

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@steven bill,

Talk about vulgarity--this comes from a member who has said that he forgives rapists (although, of course, he is not the victim) and implies that it's an imitation of the so-called Christ. Now that's vulgar.

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@Setanta,

Unless you understand Christianity, forgiveness, and turning the other cheek; you don't know what you're talking about. If you condemn people for not condemning the people who deserve condemnation, then you might as well condemn yourself because you are not perfect, either. Remember the story of the adulterous who was about to get stoned to death and Jesus said, "let he without sin cast the first stone?" Well you're talking about casting stones at the people who drop their stones right now.

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@livinglava,

livinglava wrote:

Unless you understand Christianity, forgiveness, and turning the other cheek; you don't know what you're talking about.

I don't understand why you keep poking the bear. What makes you think that any of us on this forum do NOT know religion? Don't you know the majority of the people posting are considerably older than you, been married, divorced or widowed? (probably longer than you've been alive)

What hardships have YOU had to overcome in order to "see the light"? None. And when that's brought to your attention, you're twice as nasty?

I don't get it. I don't get what you're trying to accomplish by throwing your so called "knowledge" around. It's not warranted nor is it even accurate.

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@neptuneblue,

neptuneblue wrote:

I don't understand why you keep poking the bear. What makes you think that any of us on this forum do NOT know religion?

The very fact that you make it into an insult that someone would imply that you don't know religion proves that you are more concerned with insults that with belief and understanding.

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Don't you know the majority of the people posting are considerably older than you, been married, divorced or widowed? (probably longer than you've been alive)

You don't have a clue how old I am or what I've been through in my life because I don't feed personal information to people so they can be ageist and otherwise biased based on preconceptions about what they assume the relationship between personal experience and wisdom might or might not be.

Do you think a person who is old and divorced can't be spiritually and intellectually immature? If you don't realize there are a lot of people who are, you aren't mature and intelligent yourself, or you're just not paying attention.

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What hardships have YOU had to overcome in order to "see the light"? None. And when that's brought to your attention, you're twice as nasty?

You demanding I divulge personal information is a hardship I'm enduring right now. Have you been pressured to divulge information enough to understand how it hurts? Obviously not or you wouldn't do it.

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I don't get it. I don't get what you're trying to accomplish by throwing your so called "knowledge" around. It's not warranted nor is it even accurate.

The pursuit of enlightenment is not something that happens in isolation. You seek, you learn, you interact with others. How dare you ridicule someone for "throwing their knowledge around?" What are you a person who worships darkness and ignorance?

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@livinglava,

I see you ignoring practical advice, shoving your opinions down people's throats, inferring you know more about religion than anybody else here and generally being a bull in a china shop.

If you feel that's the best way to show who you are, then have at it.

You've proven you just aren't worth the effort.

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@Setanta,

i didnt put down that i hate those kind of mothers did i? if we were in a philosophical school i wonder what your scores would be.

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@steven bill,

That is a complete non sequitur. What mothers are you talking about? Your response is meaningless.

You said that you forgive rapists. You said that after talking about your imaginary friend Jesus forgiving those who crucified him, so you had this phony baloney imitation of Christ going on there. How easy for you to forgive rapists, given that you are not their victim. That's disgusting.

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@neptuneblue,

When you call someone a 'bull in a china shop' and accuse them of 'shoving their opinions down others' throats,' you are really just telling them to conform to others and/or shut up until someone else invites their opinion. It's a very territorial attitude, one feminists hated when it was men telling them that they were forcing their views about gender equality etc. like bulls in a china shop. You should respect that people have diverse opinions and not subject them to this kind of censorial emotional blackmail.

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@livinglava,

livinglava wrote:

When you call someone a 'bull in a china shop' and accuse them of 'shoving their opinions down others' throats,' you are really just telling them to conform to others and/or shut up until someone else invites their opinion. It's a very territorial attitude, one feminists hated when it was men telling them that they were forcing their views about gender equality etc. like bulls in a china shop. You should respect that people have diverse opinions and not subject them to this kind of censorial emotional blackmail.

Telling multiple people they "don't understand" religion shows the only one who doesn't understand it is YOU.

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@livinglava,

Dont be mad because i dont care about your posts anymore. Be mad because i once did, and you were too blind to see.

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@Setanta,

No one wants an abortion as she wants an ice cream cone or a porsche. She wants an abortion as an animal-of course, i dont hate any woman who is that in need to rip life away like an animal. The fetus dies just as a human adult or child would, it bleeds to death as it is torn from limb. This is life. That would-be child has a right to life. Seneca, my so called imagery friend looks at you right now. You are so full, just like the world, of obvious things which nobody by any chance observes.
You were once that fetus. If your mother did justice to your post, you wouldnt be on A2k posting like you had a right to [which of course you think you actually do, but that so called ''fetus does'nt].

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Abortion is immoral. Period.

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