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Abortion is immoral. Period.

 
 
neptuneblue
 
  1  
Mon 30 Jul, 2018 07:21 pm
@maxdancona,
Here I thought you were an educated type of guy. Apparently, I may have been misled.
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Glennn
 
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Mon 30 Jul, 2018 07:30 pm
@maxdancona,
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If women want to ensure that they have only boys, do they have the the right to choose gender selection abortions where they check the gender of the baby in the womb and end the pregnancy if it is a girl?

Where is that happening?
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Setanta
 
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Mon 30 Jul, 2018 08:00 pm
It's a commonplace in Asia, particularly China and India.

Sex=selective abortion at Wikipedia.
Glennn
 
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Mon 30 Jul, 2018 08:17 pm
@Setanta,
Yeah, I know. I was going to challenge the idea that Indian women prefer to abort female fetuses without great cultural pressure.
livinglava
 
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Mon 30 Jul, 2018 08:50 pm
@neptuneblue,
Reality is full of failures, but that doesn't mean it's good to legalize it. Laws should reflect moral ideals and then it is up to judges and juries to interpret when circumstances release people from some degree of accountability for their actions.

You say a lot of things but you don't explain what you mean, and then you say to do my own research and talk down to me as if that proves you are right and I am wrong. These are bad, worthless arguments to call someone a 16 year old virgin or 'book smart.' If you understand what you mean and why, you should be able to explain it. If all you can do is talk yourself up by talking me down, that's just weak.
glitterbag
 
  1  
Mon 30 Jul, 2018 08:58 pm
I can’t be sure, but I suspect nononono has returned with a new name.
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neptuneblue
 
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Mon 30 Jul, 2018 09:01 pm
@livinglava,
My opinion of worthless fucks supersedes telling you how to do your own research yet I reached out. Again, when you are mature enough to hold an adult conversation, you let me know.

Today is not that day.
maxdancona
 
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Mon 30 Jul, 2018 09:42 pm
@Glennn,
Quote:
I was going to challenge the idea that Indian women prefer to abort female fetuses without great cultural pressure.


Really? You you think that Indian women are being "pressured" by Indian culture, and that this is a problem. I suppose that without the pressure of their own culture Indian women would think and act just like White women do.

The attitude that White women have, that indigenous women need enlightened White women to swoop in and and save them from their own cultures is a bit troubling.
bunnyhabit
 
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Tue 31 Jul, 2018 12:04 am
abortion is murder plain and simple
najmelliw
 
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Tue 31 Jul, 2018 03:10 am
@bunnyhabit ,
bunnyhabit wrote:

abortion is murder plain and simple


There is nothing plain and simple about the issue of abortion, whether you are against it or whether you are in favor. Saying it is so, doesn't help you make a point: it just makes you look narrow minded and naive.
steven bill
 
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Tue 31 Jul, 2018 03:32 am
@najmelliw,
Bunnyhabbit is right. Now shut up and go raise your own children.
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livinglava
 
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Tue 31 Jul, 2018 07:17 am
@neptuneblue,
Your vulgarities and insults don't come across as any different to listening to a recording of Trump in a locker room conversation, but luckily for you I have some understanding for people who haven't yet developed the maturity to clean up their language and show respect because I understand it's a cultural habit that you haven't been raised out of yet.
Setanta
 
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Tue 31 Jul, 2018 07:20 am
Nasty, nasty people here.
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Glennn
 
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Tue 31 Jul, 2018 07:28 am
@maxdancona,
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Really? You you think that Indian women are being "pressured" by Indian culture, and that this is a problem.

Yes. You've interpreted my post correctly.
Quote:
I suppose that without the pressure of their own culture Indian women would think and act just like White women do.

Yes. Without cultural pressure, Indian women would not be inclined to abort a fetus based on its sex.
Quote:
The attitude that White women have, that indigenous women need enlightened White women to swoop in and and save them from their own cultures is a bit troubling.

I understand that there are those who see cultural practices like female genital mutilation and aborting only female futuses as a cultural right. That is what is a bit troubling.
maxdancona
 
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Tue 31 Jul, 2018 08:05 am
@Glennn,
Glennn,

We White people have a history of spreading through the world to stop indigenous people from doing things of which we disapprove. We wiped out cultures in the Americas, in Australia and in Asia.

You are now judging an Indian woman for acting according to Indian culture.

I find it a little odd that you support an American woman's right to choose an abortion for any reason, but you would deny that right to an Indian woman because you don't respect her culture.
maporsche
 
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Tue 31 Jul, 2018 08:13 am
@bunnyhabit ,
You are a fake-account.

"i am a divorced 33 year old model, escort and dancer living in taipei and tainan, taiwan. i try to limit work activities to 15-20 hours per week. i like swimming, surfing, shopping, exercising, eating, drinking, getting high and chatting with people around the world. i enjoy participating in forums like this to learn solutions to social problems"
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livinglava
 
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Tue 31 Jul, 2018 09:27 am
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:
You are now judging an Indian woman for acting according to Indian culture.

Everything that happens in every culture can be considered to be part of that culture. If you eat Chinese food in the US, that's part of US culture. If you eat McDonalds in Beijing, that is part of Chinese culture. Diversity and cultural differences are part of culture. Cultural conflicts are part of culture. There is nothing that happens with culture that's not part of culture. So justifying something as being part of someone culture doesn't make sense.

If you justify fetal sex-selection as a part of 'Indian culture,' you are ignoring the parts of Indian culture that are against fetal sex-selection, abortion, etc. for various reasons. They are all parts of 'Indian culture,' so the question is which parts of (this aspect of) Indian culture you agree with and which you disagree with and why.
maxdancona
 
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Tue 31 Jul, 2018 09:51 am
@livinglava,
An Indian woman living in India is part of Indian culture. An American woman living in America is part of American culture. The Indian woman has no right to judge the American woman (not having any stake in, or deep understand of the culture). And the American woman has no right to judge the Indian woman.

There is a history of colonialism, where Western (i.e. White) people are certain that their cultural beliefs are superior and that women of other cultures should accept Western values. India was colonized by England, and the history of colonialism is relevant.

When an American woman claims that an Indian woman shouldn't act according to Indian culture... that is an example of colonialism.
livinglava
 
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Tue 31 Jul, 2018 10:45 am
@maxdancona,
Culture isn't confined or determined by geography. Geographical boundaries are related to culture but in a more nuanced way than you are indicating.

Also, for you to say one person has no right to speak to another person's cultural authority because of their location, that is a culturally-relative assertion in and of itself. In your culture it might be true, but in mine it might not. My culture might say that people can should speak to others regardless of cultural identity differences or boundaries, and your cultural relativism should respect my POV as such.

Colonialism is relevant in many ways, but it doesn't change right and wrong. If Spanish missionaries brought Christianity to the Americas, for example, and Spanish soldiers killed and infected people, etc. that doesn't mean that Christianity is good for the Spanish and bad for native Americans. Christianity is what it is as a religion separately from what self-proclaimed Christians might have done in its name. Likewise, African Christians are not less Christian or more colonized than white Christians in the world. You have to go beyond narrow, simplistic assumptions about colonialism and culture.
maxdancona
 
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Tue 31 Jul, 2018 10:51 am
@livinglava,
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If Spanish missionaries brought Christianity to the Americas, for example, and Spanish soldiers killed and infected people, etc. that doesn't mean that Christianity is good for the Spanish and bad for native Americans.


You lost me here.... in seems to me that Christianity was good for the Spanish conquistadors and quite bad for the Native Americans.
 

 
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