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Anyone upset at Trump's policy to separate children from their families?

 
 
oralloy
 
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Reply Tue 11 Sep, 2018 02:40 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
Separating children from their parents is not normal,
No. We've always separated children from their parents when their parents go to jail.

This call from liberals to start sending kids to jail alongside their parents is new.
Blickers
 
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Reply Tue 11 Sep, 2018 03:00 pm
@oralloy,
Most of the people coming have an asylum claim, we take people in with legit asylum claims.

Incarcerating parents waiting for their asylum claim to be processed while putting kids in cages for months on end is new. Even worse is keeping the kids and sending the parents home without their kids.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 11 Sep, 2018 03:39 pm
@oralloy,
You'll never "get it." Those parents do not belong in jail. That's two wrongs and zero rights.
camlok
 
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Reply Tue 11 Sep, 2018 03:42 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
You'll never "get it."


Neither will you, ci. You and oralloy share much in the way of supporting great evils.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 12 Sep, 2018 10:39 am
@cicerone imposter,
https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/asylum-united-states
Quote:
What Is Asylum?
Asylum is a protection granted to foreign nationals already in the United States or at the border who meet the international law definition of a “refugee.” The United Nations 1951 Convention and 1967 Protocol define a refugee as a person who is unable or unwilling to return to his or her home country, and cannot obtain protection in that country, due to past persecution or a well-founded fear of being persecuted in the future “on account of race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion.” Congress incorporated this definition into U.S. immigration law in the Refugee Act of 1980.
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glitterbag
 
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Reply Thu 13 Sep, 2018 01:06 am
@Blickers,
Blickers wrote:

Quote glitterbag to camlok:
Quote:
You don't seem very stable, that's too bad.

I disagree. Camlok is very stable and reliable.

He posts the same ol' stuff every post. Can't get more reliable than that. Very Happy


True dat
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 13 Sep, 2018 01:42 pm
@glitterbag,
It's amusing to see how Blickers was able to bring out the truth from our myopic view of camlok. LOL.
camlok
 
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Reply Thu 13 Sep, 2018 02:01 pm
@cicerone imposter,
The kindergarten kids have their usual catty little laughs. Never any substance.

Instead of the above, I was hoping for another valuable life lesson to be found in CI's Travels, sure to be a book and a major motion picture.
camlok
 
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Reply Thu 13 Sep, 2018 02:11 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
You'll never "get it." Those parents do not belong in jail. That's two wrongs and zero rights.


Are any of you folks who pretend to be outraged by this event at all bothered by the US planned genocide that saw 3.3 million Iraqis murdered [1990 to 2012] by the USAand its poodles, all from the lies of the USA?
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glitterbag
 
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Reply Thu 13 Sep, 2018 10:45 pm
@camlok,
camlok wrote:

The kindergarten kids have their usual catty little laughs. Never any substance.

Instead of the above, I was hoping for another valuable life lesson to be found in CI's Travels, sure to be a book and a major motion picture.


We have our chuckles because you never contribute anything that would even make a greeting card. But, I’m sure you are doing wonderful things to correct all the grave ills committed by evil governments while we sheeple bleat in
gratitude.

You are so original, I have never heard the term sheeple before (1954). Go back to sleep, sleeping beauty. 🌹
camlok
 
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Reply Fri 14 Sep, 2018 12:05 am
@glitterbag,
There's no need to be original, glitter, because y'all have been sheeple from the days of the founding terrorists.

Your post screams sheeple. replete with you baaaa baaaa baaaing.

Quote:
We have our chuckles because you never contribute anything that would even make a greeting card.


And your offerings, one has to wonder how a life can offer up so much nothingness. You can't address anything in a scientific, factual manner. It's just your same drivel always.

Did you really lie about being a linguist?
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oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 16 Sep, 2018 04:57 pm
@Blickers,
Blickers wrote:
Most of the people coming have an asylum claim, we take people in with legit asylum claims.
Incarcerating parents waiting for their asylum claim to be processed while putting kids in cages for months on end is new. Even worse is keeping the kids and sending the parents home without their kids.
Those practices will likely be curtailed by the courts. The end result is likely to be the prosecution of the people who enter the country without a valid asylum claim.
oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 16 Sep, 2018 05:30 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
You'll never "get it." Those parents do not belong in jail. That's two wrongs and zero rights.
People who commit crimes certainly belong in jail, whether you like it or not.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 16 Sep, 2018 06:51 pm
@oralloy,
What crime did they commit? The biggest crime is Trump separating children from their parents, and sending the parents back home to South America without their children.
camlok
 
  -1  
Reply Sun 16 Sep, 2018 07:07 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
People who commit crimes certainly belong in jail, whether you like it or not.


But in your book that doesn't mean people the likes of Reagan, Bush, Cheney, Bush, Nixon, Clinton, Obama, ... .
oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 16 Sep, 2018 08:01 pm
@camlok,
I supported sending Bill Clinton to prison. Ten years sounded about right.

I am unaware of any crimes by the others.
oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 16 Sep, 2018 08:02 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
What crime did they commit?
Entering the US illegally. Six months on a first offense. Two years on subsequent offenses.

cicerone imposter wrote:
The biggest crime is Trump separating children from their parents, and sending the parents back home to South America without their children.
Which law is Trump supposed to have broken?
camlok
 
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Reply Sun 16 Sep, 2018 08:02 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
I am unaware of any crimes by the others.


You are awfully ignorant of many things. You showed that in your discussions with Glennn.
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camlok
 
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Reply Sun 16 Sep, 2018 08:18 pm
JAPANESE RELOCATION ALL OVER AGAIN, EH, CI?

The evil that the USA does never ends, it is just recycled. From the Founding Terrorists to today, ripping families apart, planning and carrying out genocides,

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Family separation as a policy: America has done it before
Trump is not the only US president to have ripped thousands of families apart.

Andrew Mitrovica by Andrew Mitrovica
23 Jun 2018

Yet another amnesia epidemic has broken out in America.

Like all the other episodes when memory fails and even a passing understanding of recent history evades America's vast media/political commentariat complex, this latest bout of mass amnesia - particularly acute among "progressives" - has triggered a Pollyannaish pining for a nation and a time that never truly existed.

This nostalgia for a welcoming America where its heart and humanity are as big and sturdy as the Statue of Liberty and the inscription about those poor, tired, huddled masses chiseled on it, not only distorts the truth, but fuels a revisionism that camouflages a long, uncharitable record of treating would-be immigrants like politically expedient, human Pinatas.

The much less familiar part of the quote inscribed on Lady Liberty reads: "Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!" The fact is, asuccession of Democrat and Republican presidents have battered and barred "tempest-tossed" immigrants from entering that "golden door" when the nativist mood and xenophobic pressures demand it.

READ MORE
The story of a family torn apart by Trump's immigration policies
Of course, Donald Trump's "zero-tolerance" policy towards undocumented asylum-seekers is a signature reflection of the seething, sinister man himself and his frothing, bible-toting supporters who invoke God to defend and approve of their spiritual leader's internment camps for thousands of distraught kids, forcibly removed from their parents and dumped like anonymous pieces of luggage into tents or cages to wait and wonder when and if they will ever be re-united with family.

The staccato sobs of imprisoned children from Guatemala and El Salvador pleading, again and again, for their "Papas" and "Mamas" pierce the soul. But America's bureaucratic immigration machinery, like Trump and his legion of malevolent acolytes, has no soul and went about assigning each child a number, a thin mattress and a tin-foil blanket, numb to the anguish.

(Trump did a volte-face yesterday only after a crescendo of bi-partisan and potentially politically debilitating criticism grudgingly convinced him to sign a hasty executive order ending the separation of children from their parents now to be held indefinitely by US authorities.)

But these awful scenes and stories have been an ugly staple of America's often wicked immigration policies years before Trump and his loyal stormtroopers took office.

Consider, for example, the forgotten story of Andres Jimenez, a ten-year-old who joined thousands of others at an immigration reform rally in Washington DC in September 2014, to beg tearfully then President Barack Obama to let him hug his father again at their home in America.

Three years earlier, Andres Sr, a hard-working contractor, had been deported despite fashioning a new life and family in Florida after fleeing his native Guatemala two decades ago.

An expired license plate led to his exposure and the family's undoing. So, at the rally, the American-born Andres Jr took to a microphone and implored Obama in Spanish to sign an executive order to help reunite fractured families like his. "President Obama, I want to have a family like yours," he said, to no avail.

The Jimenez family was not alone. Reportedly, more than 72,000 families were torn apart in a similar way and for similar reasons in 2013. In June 2014, the Fair Immigration Reform Movement (FIRM) issued a blistering press release denouncing the "needless family separations."

"This week alone, hundreds if not thousands of children will lose parents to our broken immigration system, which causes needless family separations every day. A recent report noted that more than 72,000 children lost parents to deportations in 2013 alone. Against that backdrop, President Obama and his Administration would do well in moving to provide relief to immigrant families who would otherwise live in fear of separation," FIRM wrote.

The relief never arrived and the fear never subsided. Indeed, by 2016, Obama was being excoriated by The New York Times and immigration advocates for establishing "privately run, unlicensed lockups" - otherwise known as "family detention centers" - in Pennsylvania and Texas to warehouse a "surge" of unaccompanied children and mothers entering the US from Central America in conditions that mirrored, it turns out, Trump's internment camps.

The Times went on to describe Obama's "family detention centers" as "family prisons" that were erected on "dubious legal grounds." The newspaper's editorial board added that "their existence belies President Obama's oft-professed concern for the humane treatment of people fleeing crime and violence in Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador."

Finally, the Times admonished Obama by insisting that: "It would be far better to score a humanitarian victory by reuniting children and families." Sound familiar?

READ ON AT,

https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/america-latest-amnesia-epidemic-immigration-policies-180621081203449.html
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 17 Sep, 2018 12:01 pm
@oralloy,
It's called humanity laws. Something you lack.

Here's the law. http://time.com/5314769/family-separation-policy-donald-trump/
Quote:
What does the law say about family separation?

There are laws and court precedent governing how children are treated at the border, however, but none mandates the separation of parents and children. Under a 1997 legal agreement known as the Flores Settlement, there are limits on how long children can be detained and requirements that the government releases them to parents, guardians, or licensed facilities as quickly as possible and houses them in the “least restrictive” setting possible if that cannot happen immediately.


Quote:
...none mandates the separation of parents and children.
 

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