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Trump said that the media is the enemy of the people

 
 
glitterbag
 
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Reply Wed 13 Jun, 2018 11:27 am
@ehBeth,

HEY BRANDON9000.....
ehBeth provided a quote....how many more quotes do you need?

ehBeth wrote:

cicerone imposter wrote:

It shouldn't take a constitutional scholar to realize that Trump is attempting to destroy the freedom of the press/media. It's the first time in American history that the president of this country called the media "the enemy."


https://www.cnn.com/2017/10/11/politics/donald-trump-media-tweet/index.html

Quote:
Donald J. Trump

Verified account

@realDonaldTrump

The FAKE NEWS media (failing @nytimes, @NBCNews, @ABC, @CBS, @CNN) is not my enemy, it is the enemy of the American People!

1:48 PM - 17 Feb 2017


the guy is not well

I hope he gets help
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 13 Jun, 2018 02:06 pm
@glitterbag,
CNN:
Quote:
He has said the media is the "enemy of the American people." He has repeatedly called journalists the "most dishonest" people. He has worked to paint news stories he doesn't like as "fake" -- and claimed he created that term.


Poor Trump doesn't even understand the US Constitution on freedom of the press, and he's supposed to be the one in charge of protecting the Constitution.

Amendment 1 - Freedom of Religion, Press, Expression
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

From Lincoln.edu:
The Constitution's framers provided the press with broad freedom. This freedom was considered necessary to the establishment of a strong, independent press sometimes called "the fourth branch" of the government. An independent press can provide citizens with a variety of information and opinions on matters of public importance. However, freedom of press sometimes collides with other rights, such as a defendant's right to a fair trial or a citizen's right to privacy. In recent years, there has been increasing concern about extremely aggressive journalism, including stories about people's sexual lives and photographs of people when they were in a private setting.

In the United States, the government may not prevent the publication of a newspaper, even when there is reason to believe that it is about to reveal information that will endanger our national security. By the same token, the government cannot:

Pass a law that requires newspapers to publish information against their will.
Impose criminal penalties, or civil damages, on the publication of truthful information about a matter of public concern or even on the dissemination of false and damaging information about a public person except in rare instances.
Impose taxes on the press that it does not levy on other businesses.
Compel journalists to reveal, in most circumstances, the identities of their sources.
Prohibit the press from attending judicial proceedings and thereafter informing the public about them.
Collectively, this bundle of rights, largely developed by U.S. Supreme Court decisions, defines the “freedom of the press” guaranteed by the First Amendment. What we mean by the freedom of the press is, in fact, an evolving concept. It is a concept that is informed by the perceptions of those who crafted the press clause in an era of pamphlets, political tracts and periodical newspapers, and by the views of Supreme Court justices who have interpreted that clause over the past two centuries in a world of daily newspapers, books, magazines, motion pictures, radio and television broadcasts, and now Web sites and Internet postings.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jun, 2018 11:33 am
https://scontent.fhou1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/33224622_1729276923825685_7478075066391986176_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=c3e02152e9e8acfbc5b9e42dcadfa85e&oe=5BA76777
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jun, 2018 01:45 pm
@edgarblythe,
We all need to make judgments about everything we read and hear. That we have a free press is the best policy. Almost anything can be fact-checked.
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Sat 16 Jun, 2018 12:05 pm
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:
There is no such thing as "fake media." There are any number of objections which one may raise against the interpretation or even putative distortion of an individual--but the media as an entity cannot reasonably be called fake. To swallow such an allegation, one has to be applying one's own partisan prejudices to the judgment. Members of the Republican Party have described Plump as a moron and a liar. Are they, then, to be considered "fake media?' How would you define "fake media," and by what criterion is any news outlet consigned to that group?

I define fake media as organizations which routinely, consciously distort the truth to further a personal (institutional) goal.
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Sat 16 Jun, 2018 12:06 pm
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:

So you won, I take it. Ah-hahahahahahahahahaha . . . what did you win?

Ed, what do we have for our winning contestant today?

Johnny, it's a brand new car!


Just so we're all on the same page, you are defending the idea that making assertions you cannot support with evidence is not a negative in debates?
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Sat 16 Jun, 2018 12:11 pm
@glitterbag,
glitterbag wrote:


HEY BRANDON9000.....
ehBeth provided a quote....how many more quotes do you need?

ehBeth wrote:

cicerone imposter wrote:

It shouldn't take a constitutional scholar to realize that Trump is attempting to destroy the freedom of the press/media. It's the first time in American history that the president of this country called the media "the enemy."


https://www.cnn.com/2017/10/11/politics/donald-trump-media-tweet/index.html

Quote:
Donald J. Trump

Verified account

@realDonaldTrump

The FAKE NEWS media (failing @nytimes, @NBCNews, @ABC, @CBS, @CNN) is not my enemy, it is the enemy of the American People!

1:48 PM - 17 Feb 2017


the guy is not well

I hope he gets help


I'm sorry, was there somewhere in that link that I was supposed to find a Donald Trump quotation stating that the media is the enemy of the people? Here is what I actually found:

He has said the media is the "enemy of the American people."

Notice how only part of the sentence is in quotation marks? That's because he didn't say that the media is the enemy of the people. He actually said that the fake media is the enemy of the people.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 16 Jun, 2018 01:12 pm
@Brandon9000,
What's the difference between "enemy of the American people," and "enemy of the people?"

Trump,"it is the enemy of the American People!."
Brandon9000
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jun, 2018 05:42 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
What's the difference between "enemy of the American people," and "enemy of the people?"

Trump,"it is the enemy of the American People!."

The original post is based on the idea that Donald Trump said that the media is the enemy of the people, yet nowhere in this thread has it been demonstrated that he said it.
coluber2001
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jun, 2018 08:33 pm
We all know that Trump is a compulsive liar, and that he's proud of it. And it's not so much that he lies on purpose, it's just that he's indifferent to whether what he saying is the truth or a lie. What's important to him is what is convenient. And what scary is that he's totally indifferent to the truth of what he says, and nobody is immune from his attacks. I think he may very well be insane, at least sociopathic because to him the end justifies the means, any means and we only have the press and the Constitution to protect us from him.
Kolyo
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jun, 2018 09:38 pm
@Brandon9000,
But you admit he said *fake* news is the enemy of the people.

And he has repeatedly said CNN is fake news.

It follows that he believes CNN is the enemy of the American people.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jun, 2018 10:01 pm
@coluber2001,
Quote:
And it's not so much that he lies on purpose, it's just that he's indifferent to whether what he saying is the truth or a lie. What's important to him is what is convenient.


That's been proven by his own contradictions.
https://www.npr.org/2018/03/03/590546357/republicans-befuddled-by-trumps-contradictions

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/08/donald-trump-contradicting-himself-hypocrisy-video/

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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Sat 23 Jun, 2018 01:06 pm
@Kolyo,
Kolyo wrote:
But you admit he said *fake* news is the enemy of the people.

And he has repeatedly said CNN is fake news.

It follows that he believes CNN is the enemy of the American people.

Correct. Any news organization that routinely misleads to achieve a political goal is the enemy of the people. News media in general are a vital and critical part of our country and that's why it is so disappointing to see organizations that lie and shade the truth to deceive.

Anyway, the original post and the thread title are based on facts not in evidence.
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