panzade wrote:JB. What is the reaction in China to the "great leader's" portraits being taken down all over the country?
SOrry i haven't got exactly what you mean
You mean the reaction to Kim Jong-Il? Well I am not sure, maybe if they once hear the radio they will smile or laugh
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/ap/20050213/ap_on_re_as/nkorea_nuclear
China has pledged to try and revive talks aimed at ending North Korea's nuclear programs, after the isolated, Stalinist state's declaration that it had atomic weapons and was boycotting disarmament negotiations.
The United States and other countries involved in the six-party talks have called on China to use its influence over North Korea. Beijing is Pyongyang's last major ally and a key supplier of food and energy to the impoverished dictatorship.
Foreign Minister Li Zhaoxing spoke Saturday night by phone with Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and said Beijing stands firm in supporting a nuclear-free Korean Peninsula, the Chinese government said Sunday.
Li told Rice that "China will stay in touch with all relevant parties ... so that the six-party talks could be resumed as soon as possible," the Foreign Ministry said. The discussions also involve South Korea, Russia and Japan.
Beijing is right in a dilemma: On one hand, It really doesn't want a nukes-armed peninsular. But on the other hand it doest expect the collapse of the Pyongyang regime----in realistic terms, the collapse will create a massive exodus and the worst victim of that disaster is China.
Right JB. For better or worse, Pyongyang is a ward of your country.
I spent 18 months serving in ROK. Believe me when I say ... WMD's on the Korean Pennisula isn't a recent problem. I was there in '88
Now that the U.S. Forces are pulling out of the area, to go home, to go fight other wars - it's going to leave a vaccum, a dis-balance of power. For decades the nations in the area were counting on the U.S. to fight a potential battle in the area if one broke out. Guess what guys, China, Japan, ROK we have our hands full in other areas.
If the North nukes ... it ain't nukin' Seattle. It's targeting Tokyo, Seoul, Beijing. Assert yourself Asia, be your own 'Big Stick', for a change.
OH, and China & Japan ... I guess if you call in your markers on what we've borrowed to sustain our economy, we'll have little choice to clean up afterward ... but it's up to YOU to pre-empt!
panzade wrote:Right JB. For better or worse, Pyongyang is a ward of your country.
And in terms of ideology, under the current global situation which socialism countries are easy to count, We are allies naturally.
we chinese do not fear the attack from NC, but we do not want they obtain Nukes because this would stimulate some other country such as J to develop such kind of weapons
hi JB, I am surprised when i find chinese friend here, nice to see you.
Panzade, I meet you too.
Nice to know the ideas of friends here.
N.Korea Says No Talks Without U.S. Retraction
N.Korea Says No Talks Without U.S. Retraction - Reuters:
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By Jack Kim
SEOUL (Reuters) - North Korea ruled out on Wednesday a return to stalled six-way talks on its nuclear weapons programs unless the United States retracted its labeling of Pyongyang as an "outpost of tyranny."
A spokesman for the North Korean Foreign Ministry also said recent comments by Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice in interviews with Reuters and the Washington Times - in which she refused to apologize for giving the North the tyranny tag - indicated the United States did not want to hold talks.
"It is quite illogical for the U.S. to intend to negotiate with the DPRK without retracting its remarks listing its dialogue partner as an outpost of tyranny," the spokesman said in comments published by the North's official KCNA news agency.
DPRK is short for the North's official name, the Democratic People's Republic of Korea.
"This is, in the final analysis, little short of indicating it will not to hold the six-party talks. She can make nothing but such outcries as she is no more than an official of the most tyrannical dictatorial state in the world," he added.
Rice began a six-country Asian tour on Tuesday and will visit Seoul at the weekend. North Korea's nuclear ambitions are a major focus of her visit to Asia as secretary of state.
The ministry spokesman described Rice as reckless, "bereft of any political logic" and someone Pyongyang could not deal with.
North Korea said on Tuesday it might increase its declared nuclear arsenal to maintain a balance of power in East Asia. The United States, China, Japan, Russia and South Korea are seeking to persuade the North to give up its nuclear capability but talks have stalled.
On Wednesday, it said Rice's comments further justified a stronger nuclear arsenal for self defense. Proliferation experts believe the North may have one or two nuclear weapons, and possibly as many as eight or more.
"It is inconceivable for the DPRK to go out for the talks before it is delisted as an outpost of tyranny," Wednesday's ministry statement said. "The U.S. had better behave realistically and wisely if it truly wishes to have the six-party talks," KCNA said.
It warned against a U.S. attempt to drive a wedge through regional powers - without specifying the countries - in an attempt to coax the North back to the talks, saying "no pressure can ever work on the DPRK." Rice is also scheduled to visit China - the North's main benefactor and sole remaining key ally - and Japan.
Earlier this week, the top U.S. negotiator to the six-party talks said the discussions must be accelerated or other ways for managing the North's nuclear programs must be considered.
"NUCLEAR WAR EXERCISES"
The threat to boost its nuclear arsenal came in the North's typical criticism of an annual military drill conducted jointly by the U.S. and South Korean military.
The North's official news media reported with irritation, in separate stories, the arrival of the U.S. aircraft carrier Kitty Hawk at a South Korean port city of Pusan on Monday for the drills and called for its immediate removal.
"It would be well advised to withdraw the carrier flotilla from South Korea at once, give up the projected war maneuvers targeted against the DPRK and pull out its aggression forces at an early date, pondering over the serious consequences to be entailed by its reckless and dangerous war provocation moves against the DPRK," an unnamed spokesman for the North's Committee for the Peaceful Reunification of the Fatherland said.
The drills use computer-simulated models to test the two allies' defense readiness in the face of an attack from the communist North.
North Korea called the drills "nuclear war exercises" and said its buildup of nuclear weapons was necessary as self defense. The exercises run from Saturday to March 25 this year.
