Does Religion Have a Place in the Future of Humankind?

thunder_runner32 wrote:

Because we must realize that we can't save ourselves, we must ask God to take us into his hands. The choice is ours. He has set a standard for us to live, we cannot reach this by our imperfect selves.

Save from what????

You think you are being "saved" from the god BY THE GOD???

What on earth causes you to think that this myth makes any sense at all??

Thunder....they call you folks sheep for a reason. You are unthinkingly following...just like sheep. And you fear this god's wrath so much...you put your brain on sleep status.

Wake up.

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thunder_runner32 wrote:

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He does, ever heard of Jesus? All one needs to do is accept him as their savior, that's all there is to forgiveness.

And all who don't are condemned. I would call that statement the height of religious arrogance and religious bigotry.

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Think of all the poor saps that believes in another religion, and don't even know who jesus is. They will all burn in hell forever and ever.

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First rule: thou shalt have no other gods before me. Second rule: If thou does not believeth in me, you shall burn in hell forever. That's not even rational from a humanistic point of view. And your god is a "loving god?" Give us a break!

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One of the biggest flaws within the bible that I see is that throughout it, it show God to be an individual how is in desperate need of human worship.

Point out one line of scripture that says he needs us.

One of the ten commandments is: "Thou shalt not worship strange gods before me".

Why not?.....because God as he is defined in the bible, needs human approval.

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woops
Sorry C.I.

By the time I could spit out what I wanted to say you had taken the words right out of my mouth.

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First rule: thou shalt have no other gods before me. Second rule: If thou does not believeth in me, you shall burn in hell forever

Based upon that how does one justify this statement I hear over and over"Ever heard of Jesus? All one needs to do is accept him as their saviour, that's all there is to forgiveness" Why must we go to a middle man, Is not the acceptance of God sufficient? Remember the commandment "Thou shalt have no other Gods before me. Question

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au, You've identified one of many errors and contradictions of the bible. I'm not sure how the religious keeps all that straight in their heads; it's quite dizzying to me!

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You're forgetting that the new testment supercedes the old testament....unless we want to use the old testament to make a point...or burn a witch...or justify the death penalty...

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thunder_runner32 wrote:

Because we must realize that we can't save ourselves, we must ask God to take us into his hands. The choice is ours. He has set a standard for us to live, we cannot reach this by our imperfect selves.

Thunder what do you think of these standards that God has set down for women? There is of course a lot more, but this is enough to get a perspective.

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1Cr 11:5 - But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with [her] head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.

1Ti 2:11 - Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.

1Ti 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

1Cr 14:34 - Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but [they are commanded] to be under obedience, as also saith the law.

1Cr 14:35 - And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

1Cr 11:3 - But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman [is] the man; and the head of Christ [is] God.

1Cr 11:7 - For a man indeed ought not to cover [his] head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.

1Cr 11:8 - For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man.

1Cr 11:9 - Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.

1Cr 11:10 - For this cause ought the woman to have power on [her] head because of the angels.

Eph 5:22 - Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.

Eph 5:23 - For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.

Eph 5:24 - Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so [let] the wives [be] to their own husbands in every thing.

Col 3:18 - Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord.

Tts 2:5 - [To be] discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.

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Mesquite, I'd love to see an "Urban American" modern translation of those.

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au1929 wrote:

First rule: thou shalt have no other gods before me. Second rule: If thou does not believeth in me, you shall burn in hell forever

Based upon that how does one justify this statement I hear over and over"Ever heard of Jesus? All one needs to do is accept him as their saviour, that's all there is to forgiveness" Why must we go to a middle man, Is not the acceptance of God sufficient? Remember the commandment "Thou shalt have no other Gods before me.

Au, that contradiction could be the reason for the development of the concept of the Trinity ... Father, Son, Holy Ghost as one. Sounds to me more like a description of multiple personality disorder.

As for that commandment, I prefer to see it in it's unsanitized form which more clearly dispells the lovey dovey myth. This character not only threatens you but four generations of your children if you do not properly kiss his butt.

"2. Thou shalt have no other gods before Me. Thou shalt not make unto thee a graven image, nor any manner of likeness, of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; Thou shalt not bow down unto them, nor serve them; for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate Me; And showing mercy unto the thousandth generation of them that love Me and keep My commandments."

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Gee, can you imagine that? A "thousandth generation" for them that love him, and hell for the third and forth generation for those that hate him. My god, what a lovely person.

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All them christians are gonna have to study their geneology to see if any of their previous family members hated god, cause it's no use for the third and forth generation. All those that loved god in past generations can rest at ease, cause they get a pass for a "thousandths generation." Too bad all our ancestors were Buddhists. Wink

All my christian siblings are doomed.

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c.i. If he looks at A2K, my kids are in deep doo doo.

Dont forget this part "nor any manner of likeness, of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth".

No photos, paintings, nick nacks... hell, let the Taliban have this character.

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I'm very suspicious of this particular god. He seems to have a lot of rules in place to protect his anonymity as well as provide for his physical wellbeing (sacrifices delivered to tents etc). I reckon he's probably a "foreigner" from some distant land who has a lot of great ideas (like seperating the sick for the healthy) as well as some dodgy ideas (like a smidgeon of masogeny)but can't get the locals onside without a bit of showmanship.

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Eorl wrote
You're forgetting that the new testment supercedes the old testament....unless we want to use the old testament to make a point...or burn a witch...or justify the death penalty...

How does one go about supercedeing a bible that was supposed to have been given by God? Question

I should note that those who superseded the old testament did it selectively. It is similar to the cherry picking the insurance companies do. Embarrassed

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Quote, "How does one go about supercedeing a bible that was supposed to have been given by God?"

Another contradiction; by golly! Twist and turns to rationalize the inconsistencies in the bible is really interesting. How do they manage that?

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I think the standard argument is that the old testament was completely true, but he had a change of "heart" when he sent his son down to check things out.

I guess it's like when head office sends a guy over to sack someone for using too many paper clips, but it turns out everybody was just working hard and using lots of paper clips so he just arranges more paper clips instead !

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Eorl wrote:

I think the standard argument is that the old testament was completely true, but he had a change of "heart" when he sent his son down to check things out.

I guess it's like when head office sends a guy over to sack someone for using too many paper clips, but it turns out everybody was just working hard and using lots of paper clips so he just arranges more paper clips instead !

When the god that used to get his jollies causing droughts, plagues, and pestilence, destroying the planet, turning women into pillars of salt etc. switches from espousing "an eye for an eye" to "turn the other cheek", I'd have to call that more than just a change of heart. It's more like a change of gods.

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