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Far-right activists banned from entering Britain

 
 
BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 16 Jun, 2019 02:10 pm
What the hell is going on as when I was just browsing around at random I came across a war going on in the world of science fiction fandom of all places between left and right wing authors and fans!!!!

Have not been to conversions in decades but at the time I was going to them while there was conflicts between people there was never a political division.

A fairly well known author had his membership revoked at the last moment so he could not attention in person the last world science fiction conversion for the given reason that seem questionable at best.

We are living in crazy times indeed.
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Sun 16 Jun, 2019 02:27 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
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Oh, how do you know the party affiliation of the detective chief superintendent?

I don't, but that breed of emasculated idiots are likely to be of that persuasion in leadership roles. That is a big reason Europe is turning to ****. Of course the EU helps it along.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 17 Jun, 2019 12:01 am
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:
I don't, but that breed of emasculated idiots are likely to be of that persuasion in leadership roles. That is a big reason Europe is turning to ****. Of course the EU helps it along.
You've some bad experiences with German officers? Or do you just complain about the curriculum at German police colleges and (in this case) that of the police university?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 17 Jun, 2019 02:13 am
Austrian far-right veteran Heinz-Christian Strache, who quit as deputy head of the coalition government over a video sting, said today he would not take up his European Parliament seat, forgoing a move that might have hurt his Freedom Party further.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 17 Jun, 2019 02:50 am
@coldjoint,
The Public Prosecutor General of the Federal Court of Justice has taken over the investigation - because of the special significance of the case.

The man arrested at the weekend under urgent suspicion is a 45-year-old man who, at least in the past, had clear connections to the right-wing extremist scene and is said to have been active in the vicinity of the Hessian NPD [a still legal neo-Nazi party].
Ten years ago he was also arrested by the police in Dortmund together with almost 400 Autonomous Nationalists. The right-wing radicals had attacked a rally of the German Federation of Trade Unions (DBG) on 1 May, and the man now in the Lübcke case was one of the accused at the time. He was sentenced to seven months probation for breach of the peace.

According to information spiegel-magazine got, the murder suspect has attracted attention several times in the past for violent offences, violations of the weapons law, property and other criminal offences.
It is not yet known whether he was convicted in these cases.
(The name of the suspect is known to SPIEGEL. In order not to jeopardise investigations for possible supporters or confidants, the editorial staff has decided, at the request of the investigators, not to publish him in abridged form for the time being.)
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 17 Jun, 2019 07:18 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Recently, it is said, the suspect have had contacts with neo-Nazis from the militant groups "Combat 18" and "Blood and Honour".

In 1993, aged 20, he attacked an asylum seekers' home in Hohenstein-Steckenroth, Hesse, with a pipe bomb. The bomb was in a car that was set on fire at the house's door, but could be extinguished just in time by residents of the shelter before the explosive device detonated. Stephan E. was sentenced to imprisonment without probation under criminal youth law.

As coldjoint said: That is a big reason Europe is turning to ****.
But I'm quite sure, we can fight those neo-Nazis better than done before 1933.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Mon 17 Jun, 2019 04:46 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
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But I'm quite sure, we can fight those neo-Nazis better than done before 1933.

They run your government, good luck.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 17 Jun, 2019 10:02 pm
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:
They run your government, good luck.
Would you be so kind to name those of our government who are suspects of murder, members of "Combat 18" / "Blood and Honour", members of any other right-wing organisation or even members an extreme right-wing party?
coldjoint
 
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Reply Mon 17 Jun, 2019 10:40 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
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Would you be so kind to name those of our government who are suspects of murder,

They do not need to murder anyone. They just need to control the narrative and the people. Propaganda and censorship are Nazi- like, it is what they do. That link of yours is laughable.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 17 Jun, 2019 10:56 pm
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:
That link of yours is laughable.
Well, it's the official website of our - the Federal - government. (I do agree that the English version could be better, but English is still not our national language.)
I do agree that some members of our government are kind of laughable, we certainly had had better governments in the past, but otherwise ... we got them. (What certainly will change after the next election).


But since you didn't answer the other points: who are members of "Combat 18" / "Blood and Honour", members of any other right-wing organisation or even members an extreme right-wing party?
izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 18 Jun, 2019 04:46 am
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Two teenage neo-Nazis, who encouraged an attack on Prince Harry for marrying a woman of mixed race, have been jailed for terrorism offences.

Michal Szewczuk, 19, from Leeds, and Oskar Dunn-Koczorowski, 18, from west London, were part of a group called the Sonnenkrieg Division.

An Old Bailey judge said their online propaganda was abhorrent and criminal.

Dunn-Koczorowski was given an 18-month Detention and Training Order. Szewczuk was jailed for just over four years.

The defendants, who appeared by video link from HMP Belmarsh, in south-east London, did not react.

The court heard the teenagers used pseudonyms to run personal accounts on the Gab social media site, as well as sharing control of the Sonnenkrieg Division's own page, on which they posted self-designed propaganda that encouraged terrorist attacks.

Among other things, the imagery suggested the Duke of Sussex was a "race traitor" who should be shot, glorified the Norwegian mass murderer Anders Breivik, and said white women who date non-white men should be hung.

The material was "uniformly violent and threatening" and "the nature of the violence includes rape and execution", judge Rebecca Poulet said.

Hitler imagined as avatar of a god
By Daniel De Simone, BBC home affairs producer


Sonnenkrieg Division, which police say has the most radical ideology on the UK extreme right, is the latest neo-Nazi group to emerge following the proscription of National Action under anti-terror laws three years ago.

Created by a small number of people, Sonnenkrieg used the internet to exaggerate its size and capabilities, with members seeking direct action from those accessing its propaganda.

Terrorism and criminality were encouraged, as was the transgression of what it caricatured as slavish morality, with sexual violence and paedophilia both advocated.

Their bizarre supernatural belief system imagined Hitler to be an avatar of a god, lionised the Moors Murderer Ian Brady and cult leader Charles Manson, and blended violent Satanism, a berserk misogyny, and admiration for radical Islamism.

The aim? To undermine and collapse civilization, which the group deemed a necessary forerunner to the creation of a Nazi warrior society.

The pair sentenced on Tuesday will have time to reflect whether this was all really such a good idea.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48672929
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 18 Jun, 2019 04:48 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Whatever coldjoint says and promotes: the (alleged) murder of Walter Lübcke by a right-wing extremist is an attack on our democracy. If a right-wing network is behind it (as it looks like), the state has to uncover it - and fight it with all its might.
The armed terror against a representative of our country is an attack on all of us.
Walter Lübcke has had to die because he said a matter of course out loud. Because he clearly told people his opinion, who could not bear that he thought it was right to accept refugees in Germany.
Because he insisted that living together in our country is based on Christian values, and that this includes helping people in need. Because a single sentence, which he opposed to outraged interjectioners at a citizens' meeting, was often shared among right-wing extremists in social networks and commented in ever new waves of rage: "Whoever does not represent these values can leave this country at any time if he does not agree".
Walter Lübcke probably had to die because the right-wing indignation over this sentence was fanned again and again.

The state must accept the challenge. It must fight right-wing terror with the same zeal as the threat of Islamist assassins. Our country must face it with the same severity as the left-wing terror of the RAF in the 1970s to 1990s.

izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 18 Jun, 2019 04:55 am
@Walter Hinteler,
I don't read anything Pinkie writes unless someone is quoting him, and even then I try not to read it.

He's an ugly little neo Nazi thug who is only interested in spreading far right ideology and lies.

You've made him look stupid time and time again. I don't know why you keep bothering, he's not worth it.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 18 Jun, 2019 08:30 am
@izzythepush,
Nearly 13,000 violent rightwing extremists are living in Germany, the chief of domestic intelligence service (Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution [BfV], has revealed.
Thomas Haldenwang, head of the BfV, said the number was too great for security services to be able to monitor them all.
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Referred to as Stephan E by investigators, but identified by anti-neo Nazi websites as a relatively well-known far-right figure named Stephan Ernst, the 45-year-old was typical of many rightwing extremists in Germany in that he had kept a low profile, Haldenwang said. For the security services, “people who for almost a decade have behaved inconspicuously are not considered a high priority”, he added.
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The head of Germany’s criminal police department, Holger Münch, told the press conference Ernst was a member of a shooting club but did not possess a weapons permit. He is being held in police custody in Hesse, but has so far refused to talk.

Ernst is understood to have ties to the militant Combat 18 group, though it remains unclear whether he is a formal member of the international neo-Nazi network, which has a tiered paid membership structure.
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Authorities emphasised at the press conference on Tuesday that Ernst had dropped off their radar about 10 years ago. The suspect’s name was, however, mentioned in front of the state parliament of Hesse as recently as 2016, when it was raised in a question by the leftwing Die Linke party.

In front of a fact-finding committee investigating the activity of the neo-Nazi terror group National Socialist Underground, a police informant had named Ernst as an example of a neo-Nazi in Kassel with violent tendencies.

According to the newspaper Süddeutsche Zeitung, Ernst had also left a threatening comment underneath a YouTube video in 2018. Using the pseudonym “Game Over”, he wrote: “Either this government abdicates soon or there will be deaths.”

More detail has emerged about Ernst’s previous convictions. In 1992 he tried to kill a man at a public toilet at Wiesbaden’s central station who had made “sexual advances”, as he claimed in front of a regional court. The victim of the attack, whom the court described as “visibly foreign”, was stabbed once in the back and once in the front, but survived after several emergency operations.

In June 1994, Ernst received a six-year prison sentence for planning the failed pipe-bomb attack on an asylum seekers’ shelter in Hohenstein-Steckenroth in Hesse During pre-trial custody, he also beat up a non-German prisoner with an iron chair leg, according to a report by the newspaper Die Zeit.
The Guardian
georgeob1
 
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Reply Tue 18 Jun, 2019 08:36 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Just how were "violent right wing extremists" identified?

It seems to ne that there are about 13,000 examples of just about everything in a country with ~83 million inhabitants.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 18 Jun, 2019 08:43 am
@georgeob1,
georgeob1 wrote:
Just how were "violent right wing extremists" identified?
Some of those certainly via their convictions. Others by "intelligence methods" (by it by the BfV, the states LfVs or police).

It certainly isn't "just about everything" but about right wing extremists.
georgeob1
 
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Reply Tue 18 Jun, 2019 08:50 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

It certainly isn't "just about everything" but about right wing extremists.

My point was that, in a population of 83 million, 13 thousand isn't a significant or meaningful number. I suspect one could find 13 thousand people in Germany who earnestly wish they were Irish.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 18 Jun, 2019 08:56 am
@georgeob1,
georgeob1 wrote:
I suspect one could find 13 thousand people in Germany who earnestly wish they were Irish.
Quite possible. But only a tiny bit "criminal" Wink

The quoted number is from 2018 - about the year 2017.
In 2017, the potential of the right-wing extremist scene had increased slightly to 24,000 sympathisers (2016: 23,000). More than half of them - almost 13,000 people - were considered violent (criminal, accepting the possible death of attacked persons)
georgeob1
 
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Reply Tue 18 Jun, 2019 09:06 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:
The quoted number is from 2018 - about the year 2017.
In 2017, the potential of the right-wing extremist scene had increased slightly to 24,000 sympathisers (2016: 23,000). More than half of them - almost 13,000 people - were considered violent (criminal, accepting the possible death of attacked persons)

I'm a bit suspicious of these characterizations of people. Are the Muslims who attacked people in the public areas of Cologne a year or so ago considered to be "right wing"? Or alternatively does the label apply only to people who didn't like it?
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 18 Jun, 2019 09:13 am
@georgeob1,
georgeob1 wrote:
Are the Muslims who attacked people in the public areas of Cologne a year or so ago considered to be "right wing"? Or alternatively does the label apply only to people who didn't like it?
This "label" is for extrem right wing persons.
The Islamist spectrum in Germany included almost 26,000 persons in 2017, 10,800 of whom were Salafists.

Left-wing extremist motivated acts of violence increased in 2017, according to the Verfassungsschutzbericht, mainly due to the riots at the G20 summit in Hamburg. A total of 1650 acts of violence were r
egistered. (Versus 1,060 of the right.) 29,500 were considered to be part of the extreme/violent left.

Edit: English version of the BfS website
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