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Far-right activists banned from entering Britain

 
 
coldjoint
 
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Reply Tue 18 Dec, 2018 11:55 am
@glitterbag,
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Sorry old thing, but no one gives a crap about your opinion of other members.

Same goes for you. Anything else?
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Tue 18 Dec, 2018 11:58 am
@glitterbag,
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But you are incapable of admitting that a brown 7 year old girl who died of dehydration at the border is a human rights offense,

Her father should be charged, he is responsible for her death.
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Tue 18 Dec, 2018 11:59 am
@glitterbag,
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You are morally bankrupt,

You would not know morality if it bit you. Laughing Laughing Laughing
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 18 Dec, 2018 04:19 pm
@glitterbag,
I don't talk to Coldjoint, he's a Nazi. I don't read his crap or engage with him at all. And I'm definitely not going to entertain any of his racist delusions.

The problem with idiots like that is they're so woefully misinformed and wilfully ignorant you just don't know where to start. And what's the point? They're never going to understand even if they want to. It's a complete waste of time.
wmwcjr
 
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Reply Tue 18 Dec, 2018 06:28 pm
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:
He's one of those Southerners who likes to talk a lot about Jim Crow now, but kept his mouth shut at the time. Some people have to hate.


It's to laugh. From 1950 until my 18th birthday in 1968, I was just a child; so, I don't believe anyone would have been interested in anything I would have to say. My parents were strongly opposed to racism, and I praise them for it. They severely punished me the few times I ever said "n*gger" as a child in elementary school, a word I often heard from my classmates. I didn't even understand what was going on until I was a college freshman in the fall of 1969. I have repeatedly posted about how evil Jim Crow was. You have rewritten my biography in an attempt to demonize me. How delightfully Orwellian. In other words, you happen to be a liar. Lying is something you have to do.

As far as any possible sources of information are concerned and your condemnation of my choices, you fail to recognize that you're guilty of the same attitude which you accuse me of having. You automatically assume that a "right-wing" source is always going to be wrong and that a left-wing source will always be right. In other words, your political ideology is your god, an infallible imaginary being of your own creation. Sorry, but that's not what happens in real life. No one is right all the time -- including you, izzie!

Twenty years ago massive Muslim immigration was a matter of complete indifference to me. Does it ever occur to you that one might have perfectly understandable reasons for changing his mind? When all this controversy started between us, I considered writing to you by PM to explain my views of the immigration situation; but I decided not to because you're not someone who would be willing to have a discussion. No, you're one of the most close-minded individuals I've ever met -- in real life or on the Internet.

When Great Britain eventually ends up with a Muslim majority, will British Muslims preserve the political values that are so dear to us; or will your country end up as an Islamic Republic in which the native non-Muslim population is viciously oppressed? Yes, izzie, what is the human rights record of Islam? How would our gay friends be treated? (By the way, have you said a single word about the shocking "grooming" scandal? Probably not. After all, we don't want to be racists by being politically incorrect now, do we? Rolling Eyes ) Just look at the facts. Your country is gradually dying. Here's an interesting math problem: the native population's low birthrate PLUS the Muslim population's high birthrate EQUALS WHAT? Now that I'm faced with your country's eventual demise (which will take place over a period of decades), I realize how much I took for granted and how much I really love your country. The U.S. owes so much to Great Britain; so, I'm truly sorry your country is going to become a Muslim hellhole. Of course, we'll not be around to see it when it does happen. I'm sure there will be a lot of bloodshed particularly on the part of the non-Muslim natives. Ever hear of Muslim imperialism, izzie? They aim to conquer Europe in time. They don't deny it. Among other leading figures, Turkish government officials have publicly gloated that Europe will become Muslim. Does that bother you, izzie? Do you want to live in an Islamic state like Saudi Arabia or Iran? Perhaps there will be a third world war between the Islamic juggernaut in the center of Europe and the beleagured West. The second world war in Europe started with Poland, which could play the same role in WWIII. After all, those racist Poles (not to mention the heads of states of other East European countries) won't allow Muslims into their country. I mean, why should the Poles have the right to manage their own affairs? How dare they! Who do they think they are? A sovereign state?

But I'm just wasting my time with you. You are completely beyond reason, you hate anyone who disagrees with you politically, and you're completely incapable of recognizing that you've ever been wrong about anything in your whole life. No wonder you're a Marxist. You're typically intolerant.
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Tue 18 Dec, 2018 06:38 pm
@izzythepush,
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I don't talk to Coldjoint

No you don't, you lie about him. At least it appears that way. You said I justified a terrorist attack. And refuse to prove it. You call me a Nazi when I support individual rights, the right to decide who comes in to your country, and condemn any kind of censorship. None of those are Nazi like unless you are an intolerant idiot that is intimidated by the thought police and, of course, violence from Islam.

So if you can call me a Nazi, I can call you a coward, I have already proven you are a liar.
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Thu 27 Dec, 2018 01:07 pm
Any answer, or proof, from Izzy about his claim? Does not look like it. That makes him a liar in my book. That anyone would listen, to now, a proven liar is curious, to say the least.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 1 Jan, 2019 01:16 pm
@izzythepush,
Far right ‘not a working-class movement anymore’ as groups prey on terror fears and Brexitl
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The far right “is not a working-class movement anymore”, a former neo-Nazi has said as groups capitalise on public concern over terrorism, grooming gangs and Brexit.

Nigel Bromage told The Independent that sentiments once associated with street movements like the English Defence League (EDL) are being spread to a wider audience by groups targeting middle-class students and professionals.

Mr Bromage, who mentors people as part of the government’s Prevent programme and runs a counter-extremism charity, has seen a change in the background of people seeking help in the past six months.

“This isn’t a working-class movement anymore,” he added. “We’ve seen a rise in people coming from middle-class backgrounds.

“They are well-educated, attended college or university and they’ve got involved in the right wing online mostly.

“The big thing now is that it could be anybody’s son or daughter who gets involved in this movement.”

He has recently worked with people from groups including the EDL and Britain First, but also newer organisations like pan-European white nationalists Generation Identity.

The group limits its own membership largely to 18 to 30-year-olds and conducts stickering campaigns and publicity stunts that are specifically aimed at universities.

As a recent blog on its UK site said: “Generation Identity has made a concerted effort to reach out to students through thought-provoking and eye-catching activism.”

Generation Identity’s activities, including study groups and handing food out to the homeless, are designed to expose a wide audience to its theory that white people are being “replaced” by ethnic minorities in Europe.

The group’s extreme call for a “Reconquista” of the continent is softened by its glossy propaganda, savvy social media presence and the carefully manicured appearance of its leaders.

Careful to maintain the image, members handed out leaflets telling attendees at a London protest earlier this year to be “well-groomed”, adding: “We want to present ourselves as an attractive and open youth movement.”

Mr Bromage said that while Generation Identity does not specifically advocate violence, its sanitised presentation of ethno-nationalism and calls for non-whites to be driven out of Europe “present a danger”.

“What a lot of these more populist organisations do is get people in who are angry and maybe have concerns about one issue,” he added.

“Once they’re involved they might get educated on other subjects and the next minute they’re feeling the host organisation doesn’t fulfil their beliefs, and then they move on to a more hardcore group.”

Newer groups have been drawing supporters by focusing on a single issue, such as the UK “yellow vests” on Brexit and Football Lads Alliance on terror attacks.

Another former neo-Nazi who works for Mr Bromage’s Small Steps charity said far-right extremists have “wised up to the fact they need to be more respectable”.

The man, who did not want to be named, warned at an extremism training session that groups were being emboldened by “populist politics” and exploiting public division around Brexit.

He singled out the EDL founder Tommy Robinson, whose real name is Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, as a key influencer through his massive Facebook following and international connections.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Tue 1 Jan, 2019 01:20 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
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Far right ‘not a working-class movement anymore’ as groups prey on terror fears and Brexitl

That is better than preying on little girls. I would worry about that.
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Tue 1 Jan, 2019 02:51 pm
Has Izzy have the proof I justified a terror attack? A yes or no will do.
oralloy
 
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Reply Tue 1 Jan, 2019 07:28 pm
@coldjoint,
He has not.

In my experience, leftists are the only people who try to justify terrorism.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Tue 1 Jan, 2019 08:26 pm
@oralloy,
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In my experience, leftists are the only people who try to justify terrorism.

They lie a lot, too.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 8 Jan, 2019 09:38 am
The murder of my wife, Jo Cox, is being used to cow MPs. That’s not her legacy
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Anna Soubry, a Tory MP harangued by far-right protesters on Monday, was threatened by a man who said she should be “Jo Cox’d”. The man responsible was jailed for eight weeks.

Helen Jones, Labour MP for Warrington North, was similarly threatened. A man holding a hunting knife said to social workers: “I’m going to go there and Jo Cox her.”

A third MP, Stella Creasy, received a threatening letter saying she would “join that woman cox”. The SNP politicians Stewart Stevenson and Angus MacNeil were told to “remember what happened to Jo Cox” – the person responsible in that case was prosecuted and fined.
[...]
If Jo’s name is to become a synonym for anything, it should be for her kindness, generosity, optimism and her fundamental belief that we have more in common than that which divides us. That’s what sums her up, that captures who she was and the spirit we’ll need more than ever when the current political decisions have played out.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Tue 8 Jan, 2019 11:00 am
@Walter Hinteler,
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the person responsible in that case was prosecuted and fined

End of story.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jan, 2019 02:01 am
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German far-right politician Frank Magnitz has been beaten up and severely injured in an attack seen by police as politically motivated.

The leader of Alternative for Germany (AfD) in Bremen was attacked by at least three masked men in the centre of the northern city on Monday.

The attackers knocked him unconscious with a piece of wood and kicked him in the head, AfD officials said.

The government and politicians across the spectrum condemned the attack.

What happened in Bremen?
Mr Magnitz, 66, had just left a new year reception in Bremen's Kunsthalle art museum when he was attacked in the city's Goetheplatz as he walked to a central car park.

Police said he was beaten over the head with an unknown object by three men who then fled.

Two local tradesman came to his aid and he was taken to hospital.

Speaking from hospital on Tuesday, Mr Magnitz said he had little memory of what happened.

Joint party leader Alice Weidel described the incident as an "assassination attempt" while local officials in Bremen blamed "incitement" from the centre-left SPD and Green parties.

Another party spokesman, Jörg Meuthen, tweeted a photo of Mr Magnitz lying unconscious in his hospital bed and said he had been left "half-dead".

He had a big gash on his forehead and severe bruising around his right eye.

AfD entered the national parliament (Bundestag) for the first time last year with 94 seats and now has representatives in every German state parliament.

Its anti-immigration platform has struck a chord, particularly in eastern Germany where it hopes to make gains in three state elections this year. AfD is also eyeing the May 2019 European Parliament elections.

Last week an AfD office in the eastern town of Döbeln was damaged by an explosion. No-one was hurt.

SPD leader Andrea Nahles said that AfD was a "political opponent" of Germany's tolerant society but anyone trying to fight it with violence "betrays these values and jeopardises our co-existence".


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46792556

What goes around comes around, you reap what you sow.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jan, 2019 06:14 am
@izzythepush,
I don't think that such an attack will do any good.
But it's nearly exactly the same what we had had here in the 1920's, though even more often and with a lot more persons engaged (street fights called Zusammenstöße [collisions] and indoor fights, called Saalschlachten ["meeting hall battles"].


The latest news:
Bremen (dpa) - The Bremen public prosecutor's office rejects the AfD's description of the brutal attack on the AfD member of the Bundestag Frank Magnitz. On Monday evening in Bremen, Magnitz was attacked from behind by one of a total of three men to be seen, said Frank Passade, spokesman for the Bremen public prosecutor's office, with a view to the video footage showing the attack in its entirety. As a result, Magnitz fell and apparently hit his head unbraked. "We assume that all the injuries are solely due to the fall," Passade told the dpa on Wednesday.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jan, 2019 06:23 am
@Walter Hinteler,
I think you're right, but it's hard to feel any sympathy for such a repulsive fascist.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jan, 2019 11:22 am
@izzythepush,
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What goes around comes around, you reap what you sow.

It sure does, now prove what you accused me of. You said I tried to justify a terror attack. Where is the proof?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jan, 2019 12:41 pm
@izzythepush,
Well, he fell down after he was pushed.
Fortunately, there's a surveillance video as proof.
Unfortunately, the reaction of the extreme right ("attempted murder", "beaten with a squared timber and afterwards stepped on the inanimate man several times" is that what made the headlines.

I'm not excusing what happened, but just pointing to the reaction of these extreme right-wing people and party.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jan, 2019 12:46 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
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but just pointing to the reaction of these extreme right-wing people and party.

When did they blow up a bus? I can't recall.
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