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Global Warming...New Report...and it ain't happy news

 
 
Glennn
 
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Reply Tue 1 Oct, 2019 12:08 pm
@hightor,
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How the **** would I know what their "motivations" were?

Well let's see. Why were the parts that were in the approved report deleted from the published version? Let's look at what was deleted, and maybe we can find a clue to the answer.
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-- "None of the studies cited above has shown clear evidence that we can attribute the observed [climate] changes to the specific cause of increases in greenhouse gases."

-- "No study to date has positively attributed all or part [of the climate change observed to date] to anthropogenic [man-made] causes."

-- "Any claims of positive detection of significant climate change are likely to remain controversial until uncertainties in the total natural variability of the climate system are reduced
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I think that if the goal was to convince critical thinking-challenged folks that the sky is falling, then those omissions would certainly go a long way to that end.

You remind me a lot of the Sierra representative in this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quOw4dI4Apw
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Given the preponderance of evidence the most charitable explanation is that they were simply mistaken.

Think critically, man! They were deleted because they didn't support the bullshit.
RABEL222
 
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Reply Tue 1 Oct, 2019 12:23 pm
@Glennn,
At what temperture does it become easy to bend steel?
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Tue 1 Oct, 2019 07:59 pm
I typed this originally on my phone, which is hard to read and correct. Iv'e retyped it correctly, I hope, and reposted it
The preponderance of evidence is in fact that warming is real and human caused which why they wete omittted.. There is disagreement,yes. but forty years on the conclusion remsins the same. Its real and we are doing it. Consider that each year we produce more co2 from fossil fuel use than the increaise in co2 in the atmodphere. A lot is absorbed ny oceans which are becoming more acidic as a result
A lot is used by vegetation to build itlself but we are burning off the Amazon rainforest, which is the lungs of the world. The excess remains in the 2atmospher where co2 is a third above the preindustrial average so, since co2 is a greenhouse gas, temp has gone up and the suns output has gone down slightly. So we're doing it, not the sun.Those quotes disagree with what the overwhelming majority of scientists think is going on and what the research and the evidence show.. Thats why they got dropped
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 1 Oct, 2019 10:25 pm
@MontereyJack,
I believe manmade CO2 is increasing in the atmosphere. Beijing in China is already suffering from its effects, and as a landlocked city, it's very difficult to get rid of it.
https://chinapower.csis.org/china-greenhouse-gas-emissions/
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Glennn
 
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Reply Tue 1 Oct, 2019 11:28 pm
@MontereyJack,
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Those quotes disagree with what the overwhelming majority of scientists

No, the 97% consensus is bullshit. Are you even aware of the questions that were asked of this "overwhelming majority" you speak of whereby Cook came up with his 97% bullshit?

Here are some Papers that will get you up to speed concerning the real consensus: We can discuss the material at length later today. There is more data that I have found that I will post tomorrow.

https://notrickszone.com/skeptic-papers-2017-1/
hingehead
 
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Reply Tue 1 Oct, 2019 11:52 pm
@Glennn,
Now there's a URL that fills me with confidence about its peer review processes.
Glennn
 
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Reply Wed 2 Oct, 2019 07:54 am
@hingehead,
True science is empirical and replicated--it constantly probes doubts, investigates, examines, and welcomes dissent. Yet the IPCC did not invite one single person who did not agree with its pre-decided outcome for major reports to review or comment on them. IPCC has published five reports since 1990, the latest being No.5 in 2013. For this No.5 report, it was claimed that a 95% consensus–that global warming is both occurring and man-made–exist, in spite of overwhelming evidence of nil, or minimal natural, warming. Of 11,944 papers considered, only 41 of them actually claim global warming is caused by man-made CO2 (that's an alarming or 0.3 of 1%). Those that disproved global warming were dismissed.

And I've already posted Cook's

Now there's a consensus you can take to the bank, right? Sure.

Here's the conclusion of a study. Why don't you read it and tell me whether or not it instills a sense of confidence in you. And if not, why not?

Conclusions:

Increasing levels of atmospheric CO2, rather than causing global warming, are symptomatic of particulate-pollution-caused global warming. The Anthropocene idea cannot be justified by anthropogenic CO2. Instead the Anthropocene is better characterized by anthropogenic particulate pollution. A drastic reduction in particulate-pollutant emissions will be followed by a rapid and drastic reduction in global warming, as tropospheric pollution-particulates fall to ground in days to weeks, thus increasing atmospheric convection efficiency and potentially providing a radical solution to the global climate crisis. Moreover, reduction of particulate-pollution, the greatest environmental health-threat, will potentially save millions of lives and reduce the suffering of many more.


http://www.nuclearplanet.com/ac1.pdf

And you really should consider the integrity of the people who deliberately mischaracterized the scientists' Papers in order to come up with the 97% consensus bullshit that you believe in.

Here are a few of them:

Dr. Idso, your paper 'Ultra-enhanced spring branch growth in CO2-enriched trees: can it alter the phase of the atmosphere’s seasonal CO2 cycle?' is categorized by Cook et al. (2013) as; "Implicitly endorsing AGW without minimizing it".

Is this an accurate representation of your paper?

"That is not an accurate representation of my paper . . . It would be incorrect to claim that our paper was an endorsement of CO2-induced global warming."
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Dr. Scafetta, your paper 'Phenomenological solar contribution to the 1900–2000 global surface warming' is categorized by Cook et al. (2013) as; "Explicitly endorses and quantifies AGW as 50+%"

Is this an accurate representation of your paper?

"What my papers say is that the IPCC view is erroneous because about 40-70% of the global warming observed from 1900 to 2000 was induced by the sun."
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Dr. Shaviv, your paper 'On climate response to changes in the cosmic ray flux and radiative budget' is categorized by Cook et al. (2013) as; "Explicitly endorses but does not quantify or minimise"

Is this an accurate representation of your paper?

"Nope... it is not an accurate representation . . . "Science is not a democracy, even if the majority of scientists think one thing (and it translates to more papers saying so), they aren't necessarily correct. Moreover, as you can see from the above example, the analysis itself is faulty, namely, it doesn't even quantify correctly the number of scientists or the number of papers which endorse or diminish the importance of AGW."
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Dr. Morner, your paper 'Estimating future sea level changes from past records' is categorized by Cook et al. (2013) as having; "No Position on AGW".

Is this an accurate representation of your paper?

"Certainly not correct and certainly misleading. The paper is strongly against AGW, and documents its absence in the sea level observational facts. Also, it invalidates the mode of sea level handling by the IPCC."
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Dr. Soon, your paper 'Polar Bear Population Forecasts: A Public-Policy Forecasting Audit' is categorized by Cook et al. (2013) as having; "No Position on AGW".

Is this an accurate representation of your paper?

"I am sure that this rating of no position on AGW by CO2 is nowhere accurate nor correct. Rating our serious auditing paper from just a reading of the abstract or words contained in the title of the paper is surely a bad mistake. Specifically, anyone can easily read the statements in our paper as quoted below:

"For example, Soon et al. (2001) found that the current generation of GCMs is unable to meaningfully calculate the effects that additional atmospheric carbon dioxide has on the climate. This is because of the uncertainty about the past and present climate and ignorance about relevant weather and climate processes."

Here is at least one of our positions on AGW by CO2: the main tool climate scientists used to confirm or reject their CO2-AGW hypothesis is largely not validated and hence has a very limited role for any diagnosis or even predicting real-world regional impacts for any changes in atmospheric CO2.

I hope my scientific views and conclusions are clear to anyone that will spend time reading our papers. Cook et al. (2013) is not the study to read if you want to find out about what we say and conclude in our own scientific works."

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oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 2 Oct, 2019 09:20 am
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:
oralloy wrote:
No one has such data, as no reliable data on the matter has ever been collected.

LOL. And you can 'know' that how, pray tell?

I know that the scientists don't have reliable data because they've been caught skewing their data.

I'm pretty sure that I'd have heard about it if there was any other source of data. And I've not heard of any such alternate source.
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 2 Oct, 2019 09:21 am
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
oralloy wrote:
No one has such data, as no reliable data on the matter has ever been collected.

Utter nonsense.

Not at all. No one has ever collected reliable data on the question of global warming.


MontereyJack wrote:
Multiple independently researched and developed data from many different fields of science all converge on the fact that global warming has happened, is happening, and is changing the planet's climate in ways that are unfortunate for us and the planet's life. That's the reality.

Since they did not base their conclusions on reliable data, who cares what they conclude?


MontereyJack wrote:
Ignoring it is not helpful or accurate..

I choose to disregard claims that cannot be supported.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 2 Oct, 2019 09:22 am
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
That IS the consensus.

A consensus that is based on unreliable data.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 2 Oct, 2019 10:11 am
This will certainly be neglected by a climate scientist like Glenn or raise objections by other critics, but in France, a body of 150 non-experts explores ways, over four months, of cutting carbon emissions by 40% before 2030.

Quote:
A group of 150 citizens, selected as a sample of non-working people in France, including pensioners and factory workers, will this week begin advising Emmanuel Macron on how the country can cut carbon emissions to tackle the climate crisis.

The panel was chosen by selecting people, aged from 16 to over 65, from towns and villages across France. More than 25,000 automatically generated calls were made to mobile numbers and landlines to find a representative “sample of national life”.

Coming from various backgrounds and professions the citizens are not experts on environmental issues but are expected to have views on the difficulties of combating climate change and to offer ideas. They will be asked to consider the role of individuals, and society as a whole – covering housing, work, transport, food, shopping and methods of production — and suggest solutions for cutting emissions, which will be put before parliament.

ulien Blanchet, overseeing the process, said the citizens would represent “the diversity of the French population”.

Environmental campaigners said the process, which will run until February, should not be used as an excuse to delay urgent climate action.
... ... ...
The Guardian
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Wed 2 Oct, 2019 10:44 am
@oralloy,
Nonsense. Illogical generalization.
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 2 Oct, 2019 10:51 am
@MontereyJack,
Bad data is bad data.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Wed 2 Oct, 2019 11:40 am
@oralloy,
The data that you keep alleging were suppressed in fact have proved to be the bad data. They were not accurate.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Wed 2 Oct, 2019 01:19 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
I know that the scientists don't have reliable data because they've been caught skewing their data.

Okay so somehow, IF one scientist was caught fudging his data, THEN all scientists are liars and all scientific data ever collected is unreliable.

Let me see if I get your thinking right: if one plumber screwed your wife, then all plumbers screw your wife and all plumbing acts since the dawn of pipes have been some sort of sex with your wife. Amaright?
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 2 Oct, 2019 01:46 pm
@Olivier5,
No ifs about it. They were caught red handed suppressing inconvenient data.

And it wasn't just one scientist. It was a scientific journal that was suppressing data.
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 2 Oct, 2019 01:47 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
The data that you keep alleging were suppressed in fact have proved to be the bad data. They were not accurate.

When reality conflicts with leftist ideology, it's not reality that is inaccurate.
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Wed 2 Oct, 2019 02:57 pm
@oralloy,
One entire journal? Oh my! Among the dozens if not hundreds who publish on the subject, huh?
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 2 Oct, 2019 03:06 pm
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:
One entire journal? Oh my! Among the dozens if not hundreds who publish on the subject, huh?

Who knows how many other climate journals are skewing their data. It's pretty clear that it is seen as acceptable behavior.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Wed 2 Oct, 2019 03:18 pm
@oralloy,
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Who knows how many other climate journals are skewing their data.

Well then if you don't know something, don't pretend that you know it...
 

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