Global Warming...New Report...and it ain't happy news

@Olivier5,

Probably true, but the result of self published solid waste is to confuse half the audience that reads it.
Its like these "Electric Universe" guys who post scientistic terms and 30 dollar phrases that have nothing to do with anything (except to them).

However, seeing the effects and the evidence of Global warming and se level rise and ocean acidification, I am only willing (at this point in my own journey) to tentaively agree that the acidification is a pulse that is probably due to atmospheric exudates from the Industrial Revolution till today.

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@farmerman,

One area that sorta scares me is the assertion that the "Gaia hypothesis" is in effect and that the earth is self healing.
We have ample evidence that says bullshit to that (if we count life as an important component of the total ecosystem)

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@farmerman,

Arnt we just a temporary infestation who will probably be investigated in the future by the next intelligence who will wonder why we nuked ourselves out of existence.

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@farmerman,

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That has nothing to do with your attempt at debunking GW.

Allow me to decide what has to do with my efforts . I listed those figures to show the difficulty of measuring sea levels . Sea levels are only an indicator of the amount of land ice that melts . Land ice measurements are a guess . The amount that melts is debatable . The problem with ice melting is in doesnt occur in days . There is latent heat involved, and the ice melting now may have been warming for hundreds of years . The large ice sheets that covered Europe and America in the last glacial advance, despite having only an ocean between them, melted at different rates and started to disappear at different times. There is not enough geology in this green GW rubbish .

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Merely posing a flick without any understanding of what you can do with it, doesnt help any arguments that are supposed to be "open minded"

I think I know what you mean, but the term flick is lost on me . I do at least try to be open minded but I tend to lose that when the likes of parados get abusive . GW is the new religion and scientists are the new priests .

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Your statement that the IPCC should disband itself

Just a bit of light ribbing at them, but my point was have any scientists said I cant use the research money because we have found in the negative, so we are a shutting the place down . Did NASA do that after getting up to the moon or did it re-invent itself and keep spending ? What would IPCC do with information contrary to its political agenda ?

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@farmerman,

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These formations had been lifted high as the land rebounded from the unqeighting of Ice.

I've always wondered so I ask you does the land over extend when the weight is lifted and then have to come back down again ?

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@farmerman,

Yeah, we're pretty well adapted to the current climate and not any other. Maybe we should invest in air conditioning and floating cities.

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@farmerman,

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but the result of self published solid waste is to confuse half the audience that reads it.

Lets not forget that most of the GW papers are produced by the same group of scientists .

Why do you blame GW on acidification and not fertilisers and general waste ?

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@roger,

Humans are the most adaptable animal on the planet because they can manipulate the environment to provide life's necessities . No other animal goes close to living in such a vast array of external environments .

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Please tell me you are not going to reply to 10 year old posts . There are 868 pages in this thread .

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it is doing so at an exponentially increased pace because of industrialization

Do you mean parabolic because I can not see any exponential functions for the life of me .

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What I don't understand is the resistance people give to causes that would have a positive impact on their lives, and the lives of their kids and grandkids.

Perhaps its because of the cost to change, and the impact on the environment of wind farms and expired solar panels . Or perhaps its because we dont like Al Gore and have no desire to see him earn millions from pretending to be green .

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@farmerman,

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Probably true, but the result of self published solid waste is to confuse half the audience that reads it.

Yes, and that's very precisely the point. It's NOT about pimping one theory at the expense of another, because the moment you commit to a theory, you are liable to its refutation. No, the point is simply to confuse people, to instill unnecessary confusion and doubt, so as to weaken or suppress public action. It all started with the big tobacco companies fighting for years against the evidence that smoking cause cancer. It went very far, to manipulating international scientific committees under the World Health Organisation in the 70s. Marlboro and co. wrote the book of anti-science deception, and big oil is pushing the same tactics into the brave new internet.

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@farmerman,

I've had a brief look at acidity in the oceans . It seems contradictory . If the temp of the oceans rise they will exude CO2 thus becoming more alkaline . For the oceans to soak up CO2, the oceans will have to cool in order to become more acidic . The GW enthusiasts are saying both will occurr . The oceans will become more acidic AND warmer . Now that dont make a lick of sense .

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@farmerman,

I dont know about self healing but the planet IS a self correcting system . Thats why GW enthusiasts can not decide if Global Warming will produce warming or cooling . If it warms we will spend less on heating, and currently we spend more on heating than cooling . Would you rather that or 3 miles of ice over the northern hemisphere .

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@Ionus,

It don't make a lick of sense if you completely ignore science that has been around since the early 1800's.

http://www.jstor.org/stable/107068?seq=6#page_scan_tab_contents

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@Ionus,

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...Global Warming will produce warming or cooling .

Shouldn't it be "Global Cooling" or "Global Warming"? (In the scientific world as well as in Europe and most other countries, global warming refers to global surface temperature increases.)

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@parados,

I dont know what you think that reference says, but adding carbonic acid to water is a long way from the oceans absorbing more or giving off more CO2 .

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@Walter Hinteler,

Yes, it should . Thanks for picking that up .
......Global Warming will produce Global Warming or Global Cooling .

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@Ionus,

So if the global surface temperature increases, it can be a warming or a cooling???

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@Ionus,

Ionus wrote:

I've had a brief look at acidity in the oceans . It seems contradictory . If the temp of the oceans rise they will exude CO2 thus becoming more alkaline . For the oceans to soak up CO2, the oceans will have to cool in order to become more acidic . The GW enthusiasts are saying both will occurr . The oceans will become more acidic AND warmer . Now that dont make a lick of sense .

I believe you have illustrated some of the complexity of the natural process involved here that are to often ignored in the models members of the AGW society use to get their papers published and advance their careers in conformity with tthe predispositions of their masters. The oceans absorb carbon from the air by forming carbonic acid, and at the same time combine it with other elements to form limestone - even as organisms of many types absorb it as food, some using it to form long-lasting shells etc. Often unstated assumptions about the rate and depth of mixing in the oceans strongly affect their forecasts for temperature and sea level rises. There are reasons , often unacknowlwdged, why the society's detailed forecasts for changes in temperature, sea level and other factors are so consistently proven wrong by the earth.

Higher CO2 concentrations in the air yielder faster and more efficient plant growth which in turn increases their gross absorption of carbon from the air ... in a continuing cycle of highly connected primary ans sewcondary efects that are also too often inadequately represented in the various numerical models used to produce self-serving propaganda.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Yes . According to the GW enthusiasts .
http://www.livescience.com/3751-global-warming-chill-planet.html

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A global cooling event was caused by global warming? Sounds strange. But that is exactly what scientists say happened.

Do they know what its called when they dont know if it will get colder or warmer but they decide anyway ? A guess .

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