Global Warming...New Report...and it ain't happy news

http://motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2011/10/climate-skepticism-takes-another-hit

A group of climate change skeptics who had set out to conclusively prove that there is no such thing occurring, has instead found that it IS occurring, and the scientists who have been claiming this all along were, uh, right.

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In the press release announcing the results, Muller said, “Our biggest surprise was that the new results agreed so closely with the warming values published previously by other teams in the US and the UK.” In other words, climate scientists know what they’re doing after all.

The Koch brothers gave them 150 grand to fund their denial investigation Laughing

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

How much do you think it will cost us Cyclo? These new findings of the flip-flopping skeptics I mean. Nobody is bothered about what global warming is going to cost. That's as obvious as a scarecrow on a snow covered field.

What scams will arise which base their hopes on these new revelations and seek to use them to persuade us to cough up the ante and to sit on the edge of our seats biting our nails in fear and trembling.

Green electric blankets for example. Like that green gas Willie Nelson was flogging.

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@Cycloptichorn,

Too bad Okie won't believe them when they say this..

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Besides confirming the temperature trend, the Berkeley group says it was able to rule out the urban heat-island effect as a significant contributor to global warming.

And it was able to show that even with a large number of critical US recording stations operating inaccurately, those stations still showed long-term trends that were consistent with more reliable stations.

Koch brothers accidentally fund study that proves global warming

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@parados,

John Stewart compares cable news coverage of 'climategate' (weeks) with coverage of the Kochbro funded research (24 seconds)

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-october-26-2011/weathering-fights

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@hingehead,

Ain't that a bitch for Gaia and mankind then.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

Noice avoidance of the main issue raised

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Supporters of the traditional power generation system, and attackers of attempts to move to renewable energy sources, never take the time to account for the massive cost and damage done by traditional systems and the pollution they put into our environment.

viz:

http://i965.photobucket.com/albums/ae136/MuskegonCritic/132962423.jpg

What you are looking at is a tremendous amount of coal ash spilling into lake Michigan yesterday - ash full of cadmium, mercury, lead, arsenic, all sorts of nasty stuff.

Cycloptichorn

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Next ice age not likely before 1,500 years: study
(delayed by increased CO2 levels) Smile

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@Cycloptichorn,

Cycloptichorn wrote:

Supporters of the traditional power generation system, and attackers of attempts to move to renewable energy sources, never take the time to account for the massive cost and damage done by traditional systems and the pollution they put into our environment.

viz:

What you are looking at is a tremendous amount of coal ash spilling into lake Michigan yesterday - ash full of cadmium, mercury, lead, arsenic, all sorts of nasty stuff.

Cycloptichorn

Yes, and just imagine if that was NUCLEAR waste instead of coal.

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@Bootlace,

It wouldn't look anything like that if it was nuclear waste.

Now imagine it was waste from solar energy...

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@parados,

Waste from solar energy? You really don't have a clue, Parados! Take cover - a giant solar blast is headed our way, expected to hit tomorrow early EST

Absolutely no launching of satellites until the blast is well past us.
http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/

http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/sxi/images/latest_sxi_small.png

http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/rt_plots/SatEnv_sm.gif

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@parados,

Here's an update

http://av.r.ftdata.co.uk/files/2012/01/Screen-shot-2012-01-23-at-2.46.07-PM.png

Not sure what proton flux is being measured in the coronal mass ejection - but if all else fails, call Jespah, she keeps some tinfoil hats in the hall closet Smile

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@parados,

parados wrote:

It wouldn't look anything like that if it was nuclear waste.

Now imagine it was waste from solar energy...

Last I knew manufacture of solar panels did result in some nasty chemical waste.

That said, solar and wind are indeed nice sources of power. But they're niche industries. Nuclear power is a much more reliable backbone for our power grid.

And most "nuclear waste" is only waste because the radical environmentalists oppose reprocessing the actinides back into fuel.

At the most, we should just be discarding the fission fragments. (And possibly not even that -- has anyone ever given thought to separating isotopes out of the fission fragments for medical use?)

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@oralloy,

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That said, solar and wind are indeed nice sources of power. But they're niche industries.

Keep repeating that oralloy and maybe you can convince yourself it's true while wind power is up almost 30% from a year ago.
http://www.eia.gov/electricity/monthly/

Iowa gets almost 20% of it's total electricity from wind.
http://www.altenergymag.com/emagazine/2011/09/iowa-now-gets-20-of-electricity-from-wind/1782
Minnesota gets 34% of it's electricity from wind during the night.

That's a mighty big niche oralloy - This from Colorado -

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Early on the morning of Oct. 6, Xcel Energy set a world record for electricity from wind power.

Between 4 a.m. and 5 a.m. on that day, 55.6 percent of the electricity consumed by Xcel's 1 million customers, or at least those that were awake, came from the wind farms dotting the state.

Read more: Xcel sets world record for wind power generation - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_19342896#ixzz1kOXTqxIU

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@parados,

parados wrote:

That's a mighty big niche oralloy

Maybe so, but a niche it is. We will never get 100% of our energy from wind and solar.

I'm not saying that we shouldn't maximize wind and solar, but let's be realistic and realize that we need nuclear power as well.

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@oralloy,

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Maybe so, but a niche it is. We will never get 100% of our energy from wind and solar.

Gosh EVERY source of electricity is "niche" by that standard.

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@oralloy,

oralloy wrote:

I'm not saying that we shouldn't maximize wind and solar, but let's be realistic and realize that we need nuclear power as well.

That said, nuclear is indeed a nice source of power. But it's a niche industry.

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@parados,

Marxism is a niche industry.

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@H2O MAN,

H2O MAN wrote:

Marxism is a niche industry.

Stupidity isn't a monopoly, no matter how hard you work to corner the market.

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@parados,

parados wrote:

oralloy wrote:

I'm not saying that we shouldn't maximize wind and solar, but let's be realistic and realize that we need nuclear power as well.

That said, nuclear is indeed a nice source of power. But it's a niche industry.

Some "niche" industry. It has delivered in excess of 20% of our total electrical power for over 30 years and, based on Dept. of Energy data, has the highest capacity factor (power actually delivered as a % of maximum rated capacity), and (apart from hydroelectric) the lowest cost per KWHR of any source of electrical power.

Boosted by enormous government subsidies and various state mandates, wind and solar are all the way up to about 1.5% of our electrical power consumption, and, even with these subsidies and mandates cost almost three times as much as nuclear, coal or natural gas derived power.

Which is the real "niche industry" here?

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