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parados
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jun, 2010 08:35 pm
@Ionus,
Perhaps you forgot THIS is what you said Ionus

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Remember our little conversation where you thought there was only one Ice Age ?


My quote says NOTHING about there only being one ice age. In fact it would appear I am arguing for MORE ice ages than you if we follow your bastardization of my statement.
Ionus
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jun, 2010 01:17 am
@parados,
Really ? So if an interglacial period is a part of an Ice Age, how many Ice Ages have we had ? One. Add them up. According to you, we have had one. Remember this post of mine ?

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You said :
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Could you please present a written source that defines "ice age" the way you do?

Certainly -

From your reference of Wikipedia :
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Extensive evidence now shows that a number of periods of growth and retreat of continental glaciers occurred during the ice age, called glacials and interglacials.

From Answers.com :
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Ice Age
n.
1. A cold period marked by episodes of extensive glaciation alternating with episodes of relative warmth.

The same definition is given by :

From your ref of thefreedictionary.com
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ice age
n.
1. A cold period marked by episodes of extensive glaciation alternating with episodes of relative warmth.

This definition is derived from :
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition copyright ©2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Updated in 2009. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.
and :
The American Heritage® Science Dictionary Copyright © 2005 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.

If you dont understand it, never mind, I will explain, just ask.

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I provided several sources that agreed with my definition.
In your opinion. In reality you provided some references that disagreed with each other. You did not provide 5 dictionary references, you provided one Wikipedia, one dictionary and one school lesson plan.

Are you still protesting that you are not avoiding my question that you havent answered ? How much ice should have melted ?
Any of this ring a bell? Or this post of mine :
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Is the major part of your defence of global warming going to be playing dumb ? Is it your hope to wear me down explaining everything to you ?

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It has a specific meaning that is accepted by science and defined in dictionaries
Have you opened two dictionaries and compared them ? Is it accepted by science like the ocean bottoms are dead flat, or any number of areas where science got it wrong. In fact, science ALWAYS gets it wrong. Only by exploring different possibilities, only one of which can be right, does science achieve anything.
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You are really quite humorous Ionus in a sad sort of way.
Back to sneering ? Did you take my advice and seek help ? If you cant debate without losing your temper and resorting to insults, maybe you should be on another web site..one that approves of swearing and insults. I would like to keep the argument scientific, and I understand you will need to look that up in your dictionary.

How about that ? Any thing coming back to you ?
parados
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jun, 2010 07:04 am
@Ionus,
Ionus wrote:
Remember our little conversation where you thought there was only one Ice Age ?


Nothing in my statements about there being only one ice age.

Defining "ice age" doesn't imply there is only one any more than defining "horse" implies there is only one.

ican711nm
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jun, 2010 12:14 pm
@ican711nm,
http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/nhshgl.gif
Average Annual Global Temperature 1850-2010
http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/nhshgl.gif
Average Annual Global Temperature 1850-2010
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Thu 17 Jun, 2010 11:26 am
THE AVERAGE AND MEAN ANNUAL GLOBAL TEMPERATURES INCREASED LESS THAN 1°C (1.8°F) IN THE LAST 100 YEARS.

http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=f80a6386-802a-23ad-40c8-3c63dc2d02cb
As of December 20, 2007, more than 400 prominent scientists from more than two dozen countries have voiced significant objections to major aspects of the alleged UN IPCC "consensus" on man-made global warming.
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The Dean of Pittsburgh's Graduate School of Public Health, Donald S. Burke, rejected climate fears relating to the spread of infectious diseases in 2007. "There are no apocalyptic pronouncements," Burke said, according to a December 5, 2007 Boston Globe article. "There's an awful lot we don't know," Burke added. The article explained that Burke "noted that the 2001 study found that weather fluctuation and seasonal variability may influence the spread of infectious disease. But he also noted that such conclusions should be interpreted with caution." The article continued, "Burke said he is not convinced that climate change can be proven to cause the spread of many diseases, specifically naming dengue fever, influenza, and West Nile virus." (LINK)

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Ionus
 
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Reply Thu 17 Jun, 2010 06:51 pm
@parados,
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Nothing in my statements about there being only one ice age.
Why do you always try to bluff your way out of being wrong ? If an interglacial is imbetween glacial retreats and the next advance, then we have only ever had one Ice Age. If you are going to say each Glacial Advance and Retreat is an Ice Age, then you are making the concept of an Ice Age ridiculous as it rarely if ever affects the Earth. If snow ball earth theory is correct, then even that was only the nomenclature equivalent of glaciers in the northern hemisphere of some 20,000 yrs ago. What will we call a cluster of your "Ice Ages"? Why use the term "Age" ?

The usual definition of an Ice Age is a series of Glacial advances and retreats. This is something you appear to still be ignorant of yet you regard yourself as knowledgable about Global Warming.
parados
 
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Reply Thu 17 Jun, 2010 10:41 pm
@Ionus,
LOL..

Your definition doesn't change what I think and you claimed I thought something which is nothing but fantasy on your part. I don't base my thoughts on YOUR definitions. I stated interglacials occur between ice ages. Turning around and using YOUR definition doesn't change my statement. It only shows you are a complete idiot and can't read or understand simple English. I clearly think and thought there was more than one ice age. You don't get to apply your stupid argument as if it was my thought. That would be an asinine attempt on your part. But you seem to be more than willing to make a fool of yourself.

So, are you willing to argue that anyone that has a different view of Ice Ages from you is wrong about Global warming?
Ionus
 
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Reply Thu 17 Jun, 2010 11:45 pm
@parados,
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Your definition doesn't change what I think and you claimed I thought something which is nothing but fantasy on your part. I don't base my thoughts on YOUR definitions. I stated interglacials occur between ice ages. Turning around and using YOUR definition doesn't change my statement. It only shows you are a complete idiot and can't read or understand simple English.
Your moronic attempt to laugh away reality is "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest" touching. Of course you dont understand logic. Your definition of Arkham's Razor is "Sharp...bite-ies...dont touch".
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But you seem to be more than willing to make a fool of yourself.
You shouldnt have brought the topic around to that...the track record shows you to have a considerable head start....I would say you have won the ability to make a fool of yourself before I got to the track. Congratulations.
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So, are you willing to argue that anyone that has a different view of Ice Ages from you is wrong about Global warming?
Now that you have had time to try your usual ignorance and bluff, how many Ice Ages were there ?
parados
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jun, 2010 07:28 am
@Ionus,


Occam's razor is what is cutting you, you idiot.
1. You claim I don't know the meaning of "interglacial" because the way I used it is contrary to the way you want to define it.
2. You claim the way I used "interglacial" means I think there was one Ice Age when you apply your definition to my statement.

The two arguments would be mutually exclusive. Not only have you not chosen the simplest theory, you decide you get to choose 2 competing theories that can't both be correct.

If I state "interglacials occur between ice ages" how can you possibly think I mean there was only one Ice Age? I guess you can if you are complete idiot like you are Ionus.
ican711nm
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jun, 2010 10:31 am
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http://unabridged.merriam-webster.com/cgi-bin/unabridged?va=glacier&x=31&y=8
Main Entry: gla·cier
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: a large body of ice moving slowly down a slope or valley or spreading outward on a land surface and usually carrying, pushing, or depositing loose rock and other debris and eroding land forms and having a perennial snowfield on which falling snow is converted to a granular icy mass which through the pressure of successive snowfalls and through the freezing of seasonal meltwater becomes solid ice and flows plastically downward to form the body of the glacier which grows or shrinks according to whether snowfalls exceeds the rate of melting or not

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http://unabridged.merriam-webster.com/cgi-bin/unabridged?va=ice+age&x=23&y=7
Main Entry: ice age
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1 : a time of widespread glaciation
2 usually capitalized I&A : the Pleistocene glacial epoch

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http://unabridged.merriam-webster.com/cgi-bin/unabridged?va=glaciation&x=20&y=8
Main Entry: gla·ci·a·tion
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1 a : the action or process of becoming ice : FREEZING <the glaciation of clouds> b : the formation of ice sheets; specifically : the formation of glaciers <an age of extensive glaciation>
2 a : the condition of being covered by ice sheets or glaciers ; specifically : GLACIAL <deposits laid down during the period of the second glaciation -- American Anthropologist> b (1) : subjection to the action of glaciers <cycles of weathering and glaciation -- Russell Lord> (2) : the effects produced by the action of glaciers <glaciation that is clearly evident throughout the area>
ican711nm
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jun, 2010 10:46 am
@ican711nm,
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http://unabridged.merriam-webster.com/cgi-bin/unabridged?va=interglacial&x=19&y=8
Main Entry: 1in·ter·glacial
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: occurring or formed between glacial epochs <interglacial climate>
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jun, 2010 11:30 am
You are all correct, now would you PLEASE just shut the **** up.

Ionus is using "ice age" in the glaciological sense of the term, to refer to a period alternating between extensive glaciations and interglacials.

Parados is using "ice age" in the sense that the 99.9% of people who are not glaciologists use it 99.9% of the time, to refer to the period of extensive glaciation that started around 100,000 years ago and ended about 10,000 years ago. If for some reason they extend their time frame beyond 100,000 years ago, they refer to that as the "last ice age" in a cycle of "ice ages".

As wikipedia says:
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More colloquially, "the ice age" refers to the most recent colder period that peaked at the Last Glacial Maximum approximately 20,000 years ago, in which extensive ice sheets lay over large parts of the North American and Eurasian continents. This article will use the term ice age in the former, glaciological, sense: glacials' for colder periods during ice ages and interglacials for the warmer periods.


So which sense you use it in depends on how pedantic you want to be. Either one is okay, so just drop the whole damned thing and get on with business.

Speaking of pedantic, "Arkham's razor"? Sheesh! You've been reading way too much H.P.Lovecraft. It's Occam, as Parados says. If you're going to refer to it, even if not very usefully, at least attribute it right.
okie
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jun, 2010 11:36 am
@MontereyJack,
Why don't you go back to a playground somewhere with your gutter language? This is supposed to be a political debate forum, for adults, not children.
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jun, 2010 11:39 am
stuff it, okie. (that's adult language, by the way, not kids')
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Ionus
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jun, 2010 05:55 pm
@parados,
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Occam's razor is what is cutting you, you idiot.
Never heard of Arkham's razor then ? That doesnt surpise me. Yes, I am aware of Occom's Razor but clearly the distinction is lost on a moron.
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you decide you get to choose 2 competing theories that can't both be correct.
You are unbelievably stupid. The choice was for you to make, fool. I presented the logic of your double standard and you were too stupid to realise.
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Ionus
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jun, 2010 06:07 pm
@MontereyJack,
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Speaking of pedantic, "Arkham's razor"? Sheesh! You've been reading way too much H.P.Lovecraft. It's Occam, as Parados says.
The point was lost on you too. But at least you know something about the distinction between an Ice Age and a Glaciation. By the way, an interglacial peroid is in between Glaciations within the broader time of an Ice Age. In between Ice Ages is not an interglacial period, it is the default normal.

This is important in any discussion on Global Warming because we do not know if we are exiting an Ice Age or in an interglacial. The difference is very important to determine any future trend. The most widely held opinion is that we will have another Glaciation. In this regard, any efforts to prevent Global Warming might hasten a worse catatstrophe.
parados
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jun, 2010 08:08 pm
@Ionus,
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The most widely held opinion is that we will have another Glaciation. In this regard, any efforts to prevent Global Warming might hasten a worse catatstrophe.

And there you go with the stupid assumption about the speed with which glaciation occurs. We went over this already.
Ionus
 
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Reply Mon 21 Jun, 2010 04:10 am
@parados,
Then you know how to stop it once it starts, right ?
parados
 
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Reply Mon 21 Jun, 2010 07:07 am
@Ionus,
You tell me how it will start and how quickly the ice will build up in the northern US and then I will tell you how to stop it.
Ionus
 
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Reply Mon 21 Jun, 2010 07:26 am
@parados,
You are confusing me with Global Warming advocates. They know the future, they have a crystal ball.

If the planet is following a natural cycle and you cool it with trillions of dollars, what do we do to stop the natural cooling when it occurs ? Release CO2 ? Will we find ourselves trying to adjust the planet's temperature like our cars tyre pressure ?
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