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Global Warming...New Report...and it ain't happy news

 
 
Ionus
 
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Reply Tue 30 Mar, 2010 06:49 pm
@spendius,
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since Lord Longford toured the vice dens of Europe to gather evidence
Thats a bit unfair to Lord Longford isnt it Spendy ? I am sure he had observed many facts first hand, never shredded any data, never tried to sue women for causing prostitution, never intimidated or threatened anyone who said perhaps the dens werent that big a problem, or lied to prove an increase in iniquity. He also never took money from gullible fools to fund his research or threatened the world economy with foolish plans.
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Tue 30 Mar, 2010 11:45 pm
Sorry, boys, the Climategate thing was mostly denialist spin, just as we said.
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Inquiry: Climate data not manipulated
British lawmakers say science sound, but want transparency

Kirsty Wigglesworth / AP
The University of East Anglia in Norwich, England, was at the center of the climate controversy.


msnbc.com news services
updated 6:52 p.m. ET, Tues., March. 30, 2010
LONDON - The first of several British investigations into the e-mails leaked from one of the world's leading climate research centers has largely vindicated the scientists involved.

The House of Commons' Science and Technology Committee said they had seen no evidence to support charges that the University of East Anglia's Climatic Research Unit or its director, Phil Jones, had tampered with data or perverted the peer review process to exaggerate the threat of global warming " two of the most serious criticisms levied against the climatologist and his colleagues.

In their report released Wednesday, the committee said that, as far as it was able to ascertain, "the scientific reputation of Professor Jones and CRU remains intact," adding that nothing in the more than 1,000 stolen e-mails, or the controversy kicked up by their publication, challenged scientific consensus that "global warming is happening and that it is induced by human activity."

The 14-member committee's investigation is one of three launched after the dissemination, in November, of e-mails and data stolen from the research unit.

The e-mails appeared to show scientists berating skeptics in sometimes intensely personal attacks, discussing ways to shield their data from public records laws, and discussing ways to keep skeptics' research out of peer-reviewed journals.

One that attracted particular media attention was Jones' reference to a "trick" that could be used to "hide the decline" of temperatures.

"Hide the decline" was not an attempt to conceal data but was scientific shorthand for discarding erroneous data, the committee concluded. Similarly, Jones intended "trick" to mean a neat way of handling evidence, rather than anything underhanded, the inquiry found.

The e-mails' publication ahead of the Copenhagen climate change summit sparked an online furor, with skeptics of manmade climate change calling the e-mails' publication "Climategate" and claiming them as proof that the science behind global warming had been exaggerated " or even made up altogether.

The lawmakers said they decided to investigate due to "the serious implications for U.K. science."

Some e-mails 'appalling'
Phil Willis, the committee's chairman, said of the e-mails that "there's no denying that some of them were pretty appalling."

But the committee found no evidence of anything beyond "a blunt refusal to share data," adding that the idea that Jones was part of a conspiracy to hide evidence that weakened the case for global warming was clearly wrong.

In a briefing to journalists ahead of the report's release, Willis said the controversy would ultimately help buttress the case for global warming by forcing the University East Anglia " and other research institutions " to stop hoarding their data.

"The winner in the end will be climate science itself," he said.

The winner on Wednesday was Jones, who stepped down temporarily as chief of the climate research unit about week after the e-mail scandal broke. The committee expressed sympathy with Jones, whom Willis said had been made a scapegoat for larger problems within the climate science community.

"The focus on Professor Jones and the CRU has been largely misplaced," the report said.

But the lawmakers did criticize the way Jones and his colleagues handled freedom of information requests, saying scientists could have saved themselves a lot of trouble by aggressively publishing all their data instead of worrying about how to stonewall their critics.

"The culture of non-disclosure at CRU and instances where information may have been deleted to avoid disclosure, particularly to climate change skeptics, we felt was reprehensible," Willis told reporters.

Deeper inquiries promised
Lawmakers stressed that their report " which was written after only a single day of oral testimony " did not cover all the issues and would not be as in-depth as the two other inquiries into the e-mail scandal that are still pending and which were instigated by the University of East Anglia.

Willis said the lawmakers had been in a rush to publish something before Britain's next national election, which is widely expected in just over a month's time.

"Clearly we would have liked to spend more time of this," he said, before adding jokingly: "We had to get something out before we were sent packing."

One of the two pending inquiries is being headed by former civil servant Muir Russell, who is looking into whether scientists, including Jones, fudged data or manipulated the peer review process. It also is examining the extent to which university followed applicable freedom of information laws. That report is due to report sometime this spring.

Geologist Ernest Oxburgh is leading a parallel investigation into the integrity of the science itself, one staffed by academics including Kerry Emanuel, a professor of meteorology at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, and Huw Davies, a former president of the International Association of Meteorology & Atmospheric Science.

The committee said that climate scientists had to be much more open in future " for example by publishing all their data, including raw data and the software programs used to interpret them, to the Internet. Willis said there was far too much money at stake not to be completely transparent.

"Governments across the world are spending trillions of pounds, or trillions of dollars, on mitigating climate change. The science has got to be irreproachable," he said.


Got that?

In their report released Wednesday, the committee said that, as far as it was able to ascertain, "the scientific reputation of Professor Jones and CRU remains intact," adding that nothing in the more than 1,000 stolen e-mails, or the controversy kicked up by their publication, challenged scientific consensus that "global warming is happening and that it is induced by human activity."
MASSAGAT
 
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Reply Wed 31 Mar, 2010 12:02 am
This is from Monterey Jack's own post:

Some e-mails 'appalling'
Phil Willis, the committee's chairman, said of the e-mails that "there's no denying that some of them were pretty appalling.

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Would any decent scientist believe any source whose e-mails were"pretty appalling"?

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From Monterey Jack's own post

"Hide the decline" was not an attempt to conceal data but was scientific shorthand for discarding erroneous data, the committee concluded. Similarly, Jones intended "trick" to mean a neat way of handling evidence, rather than anything underhanded, the inquiry found.
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scientific shorthand for discarding erroneous data..,trick means a neat way of handling evidence rather than anything underhanded.

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHHA.

incredible, unbelievable, unsupoortable and evidence of a clumsy attempt to evade responsibility. I will search the Internet for scientists who believe in that stupid and puerile definition of "trick" in this instance.
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Wed 31 Mar, 2010 12:04 am
Sure. They thought the denialists were pretty much unprincipled assholes, and they said so in emails that were supposed to only circulate among themselves.That's recognizing truth, however indelicate it may be.

And, I repeat:
In their report released Wednesday, the committee said that, as far as it was able to ascertain, "the scientific reputation of Professor Jones and CRU remains intact," adding that nothing in the more than 1,000 stolen e-mails, or the controversy kicked up by their publication, challenged scientific consensus that "global warming is happening and that it is induced by human activity."
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MASSAGAT
 
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Reply Wed 31 Mar, 2010 12:18 am
Monterey Jack's post includes the following:

In a briefing to journalists ahead of the report's release, Willis said the controversy would ultimately help buttress the case for global warming by forcing the University East Anglia " and other research institutions " to stop hoarding their data.

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Now, why would any scientists want to hoard the data? Good Science means you share data. I am sure that Monetery Jack has never heard that Einstein did not think that his prediction of a General Theory would be accepted until it was verified by others. Einstein did not hoard his data. Why would Jones do so?
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MASSAGAT
 
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Reply Wed 31 Mar, 2010 12:25 am
Monterey Jack's blurb also revealed the following:
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But the lawmakers did criticize the way Jones and his colleagues handled freedom of information requests, saying scientists could have saved themselves a lot of trouble by aggressively publishing all their data instead of worrying about how to stonewall their critics.

"The culture of non-disclosure at CRU and instances where information may have been deleted to avoid disclosure, particularly to climate change skeptics, we felt was reprehensible," Willis told reporters.

end of quote

The culture of non-disclosure at CRU and instances where information MAY HAVE BEEN DELETED TO AVOID DISCLOSURE, PARTICULARLY TO CLIMATE CHANGE SKEPTICS, WE FELT WAS R E P R E H E N S I B L E>

to avoid disclosure? Why? This from a friendly committee? to avoid disclosure?
Scientists that want to avoid disclosure? Why? Particularly to climate change skeptics!!!
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MASSAGAT
 
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Reply Wed 31 Mar, 2010 12:31 am
Monterey Jack's report says:

Deeper inquiries promised
Lawmakers stressed that their report " which was written after only a single day of oral testimony " did not cover all the issues and would not be as in-depth as the two other inquiries into the e-mail scandal that are still pending and which were instigated by the University of East Anglia.

end of quote

A SINGLE DAY OF ORAL TESTIMONY?

DID NOT COVER ALL THE ISSUES?

WOULD NOT BE AS IN DEPTH AS THE OTHER TWO INQUIRIES INTO THE E- MAIL S C A N D A L?
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The testimony is obviously an attempt to CYA. A British group hoping to save the rest of the country's scientists from being tarred by Jones' stupidities.

The committee was remiss in their duties. They really should have contacted Nancy Pelosi and asked her how she was able to shield Rep. Rangel so long!
The country laughed when Pelosi and her crew tried to cover Rangel--as the world is laughing( I will give data) at the childish evasions of Jones.
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MASSAGAT
 
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Reply Wed 31 Mar, 2010 12:34 am
Monterey Jack's blurb states:

Willis said the lawmakers had been in a rush to publish something before Britain's next national election, which is widely expected in just over a month's time.

"Clearly we would have liked to spend more time of this," he said, before adding jokingly: "We had to get something out before we were sent packing."
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Anyone who does not see this committee has a device to allay criticism which may be politically damaging does not know how to read the two lines above.

But it is not over!
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MASSAGAT
 
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Reply Wed 31 Mar, 2010 12:38 am
Monterey Jack's blurb also reads as follows:

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One of the two pending inquiries is being headed by former civil servant Muir Russell, who is looking into whether scientists, including Jones, fudged data or manipulated the peer review process. It also is examining the extent to which university followed applicable freedom of information laws. That report is due to report sometime this spring.

Geologist Ernest Oxburgh is leading a parallel investigation into the integrity of the science itself, one staffed by academics including Kerry Emanuel, a professor of meteorology at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, and Huw Davies, a former president of the International Association of Meteorology & Atmospheric Science.

The committee said that climate scientists had to be much more open in future " for example by publishing all their data, including raw data and the software programs used to interpret them, to the Internet. Willis said there was far too much money at stake not to be completely transparent.

"Governments across the world are spending trillions of pounds, or trillions of dollars, on mitigating climate change. The science has got to be irreproachable," he said.
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a parallel investigation coming up? After the election, no doubt.

climate scientists had to be much more open in the future

by publishing all their data( Does this mean Jones did not?) horrors!
including raw data and
the software programs used
to interpret them.

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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Wed 31 Mar, 2010 12:44 am
Gor right ahead, Massagato, google "How scientists use the word "trick"" and see what you get. Scientists in a number of disciplines have been telling you--well, not you, since you apparently were booted for the fortieth or so time--but others, for months now that that's how the word is used, for example:
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The word "trick"
People seem to often be focusing first on this word "trick" used in a Phil Jones email:


In one e-mail from 1999, the center's director, Phil Jones, alludes to one of Mann's articles in the journal Nature and writes, "I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (i.e., from 1981 onwards) and from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline."

Mann said the "trick" Jones referred to was placing a chart of proxy temperature records, which ended in 1980, next to a line showing the temperature record collected by instruments from that time onward. "It's hardly anything you would call a trick," Mann said, adding that both charts were differentiated and clearly marked.



Mann is certainly right: "trick" is a word scientists use all the time to mean a clever way to refocus a problem or transform it somehow to make progress. If I had a dollar for every time I heard a professor say "Now here's a trick you can use," I'd be able to buy a Lexus.

An elementary example of what might be considered a trick is converting from Euclidean (x,y) coordinates to polar (r,θ) coordinates where a calculation simplifies. A more complicated example is dimensional regularization in quantum field theory, where, since some observable factors are calculated to be infinity, you instead do the calculation in 4+d dimensions and then in the end let d go to zero, and the answers are finite. (No, there is no good mathematical basis for this, as a mathematician will tell you, but as a physicist will tell you, it works.)


Skeptics who are focusing on this particular word just do not understand some of the inside language scientists use
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Wed 31 Mar, 2010 12:45 am
and it's msnbc's (and AP's)"blurb"--it's called a "news story", Massagato-- not mine.
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Ionus
 
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Reply Wed 31 Mar, 2010 01:00 am
@MontereyJack,
No wonder you are trumpeting success so loudly. No one else is that blind.
Some pause for thought ....
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British lawmakers say science sound
Scientists say politicians are nice.
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The first of several British investigations
Lets not wait for the others.
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they had seen no evidence to support charges that .....had tampered with data or perverted the peer review
Clearly shredding data and denying information to others is not included.
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as far as it was able to ascertain
Or face the backlash from the public who have been dragged along for this ride that it was all the biggest scam in history...which one will they choose ? Thats a toughy for a politician.
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the scientific reputation of Professor Jones and CRU remains intact
with the politicians but not the scientists.
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"Hide the decline" was not an attempt to conceal data but was scientific shorthand for discarding erroneous data, the committee concluded.
I work for the government and I am here to help. I have never heard "hide the decline" used as scientific shorthand.
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Similarly, Jones intended "trick" to mean a neat way of handling evidence, rather than anything underhanded, the inquiry found.

Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Hahahahahahahahaha ! What a riot ! I did not have sexual relations with that girl.
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The lawmakers
?? I thought they were politicians ????
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The lawmakers said they decided to investigate due to "the serious implications for U.K. science."
They investigated to save their own arse. What other science will the politicians (sorry...lawmakers) be investigating ??
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But the committee found no evidence of anything beyond "a blunt refusal to share data,"
That in itself is evidence.
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Lawmakers stressed that their report " which was written after only a single day of oral testimony " did not cover all the issues
So what is the value of it ?
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Willis said the lawmakers had been in a rush to publish something before Britain's next national election
AH HA !! Lawmakers are elected just like politicians ?
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Willis said there was far too much money at stake
They got THAT right.
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Governments across the world are spending trillions of pounds, or trillions of dollars, on mitigating climate change. The science has got to be irreproachable
The science has got to be irreproachable...they got another one right.
MASSAGAT
 
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Reply Wed 31 Mar, 2010 01:07 am
@Ionus,
I defer to you, Ionus, you did a much better job that I did in deflating that ridiculous piece of garbage from the Engish committee. I especially enjoyed your comment. "I did not have sex with that girl"-- I wonder if they referenced Bill Clinton before the meeting.
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MASSAGAT
 
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Reply Wed 31 Mar, 2010 01:19 am
@MontereyJack,
What a crock!!!!

You may try to use it as a fig leaf but the rest of the world does not agree with you-

Wall Street Journal-Nov ember 24, 2009- Editorial-
Global Warming with the lid off

"Trick" is not mentioned in this e-mail from Jones to Gavin Smith( or,perhaps, the e-mail is couched in "special' scientific jargon which we, poor peasants who do not understand, cannot intepret correctly( But the WSJ is certainly sure of its meaning:

Note

Quote from the Wall Street Journal--

"When deleting, doctoring, or withholding information didn't work, Mr. Jones suggested an alternative in an August 2008 email to Gavin Schimdt of NASA's Goddard Institute for space studies, COPIED to Mr. Mann. quote "The FOI(freedom of information) line we're ALL using is this", he wrote, "IPCC is exempt from any countries FOI- the skeptics have been told this, Even though we...possibly hold relevant info the IPCC is not part of our remit( mission statement, aims, etc.) therefore we don't have an obligation to pass it on."
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MASSAGAT
 
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Reply Wed 31 Mar, 2010 01:26 am
@MontereyJack,
from "The Inquisition of Global Warming" by Debra J. Saunders

"This just in from the Times of London: After the leak of embarrassing e-mail messages from the University of East Anglia's influential Climatic Research Unit, CRU has been FORCED TO ADMIT THAT IT DUMPED THE ORIGINAL RAW" CLIMATE DATA USED TO BOLSTER THE CASE FOR HUMAN-CAUSED GLONAL WARMING while retaining only the "value-added"-read: massaged data."

end of quote

Oh, my, Oh, my, whatever shall we do? The raw data is missing? We will just have to trust that the East Anglia group gave us the truth in their "value added data". Everyone knows how transparent, moral and truthful the group is and has always been.


Anyone who read the farces that took place at East Anglia would not trust the group to make a good cup of coffee without first submitting the coffee to a thorough analysis!
MASSAGAT
 
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Reply Wed 31 Mar, 2010 01:29 am
Itis clear that Monterey Jack has not read widely in the literature concerning the IPCC. The global warmists have tried every trick in the book to convince the public about global warming. The manipulations have been recorded:

There are many indications that the "global warmists" have tried to massage the data. In some instances, they are somewhat like some of the posters on these threads--If you hew the political line they like, they will accept your ideas, if not, they will try to ban you.

Bjorn Lomborg tells of a high ranking spokesman, Tim Higham about a significant change in an IPCC Summary. He was asked what the scientific background was for the change. Higham responded:

"There was NO new science, but the sceintist wanted to present a clear and strong message to policy makers>"

Something along the line of Al Gore's" Greenland is melting
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Ionus
 
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Reply Wed 31 Mar, 2010 01:32 am
@MASSAGAT,
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Anyone who read the farces that took place at East Anglia would not trust the group to make a good cup of coffee without first submitting the coffee to a thorough analysis!
You make an interesting point. They probably use a "trick" to decrease the coffee content and "hide the decline" by refusing to release the recipe. Then they shred the coffee maker.
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MASSAGAT
 
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Reply Wed 31 Mar, 2010 01:37 am
I am sure that Phil Jones would never have accepted the paper below as a "proper" scientific study. Yet it is backed by good scientific data-transparent data

Note:

Solar Influence on Recurring Global, Decadal, Climate Cycles Recorded by Glacial Fluctuations, Ice Cores, Sea Surface Temperatures, and Historic Measurements Over the Past Millennium

Easterbrook, Don J., Dept. of Geology, Western Washington University, Bellingham, WA 98225,

Global, cyclic, decadal, climate patterns can be traced over the past millennium in glacier fluctuations, oxygen isotope ratios in ice cores, sea surface temperatures, and historic observations. The recurring climate cycles clearly show that natural climatic warming and cooling have occurred many times, long before increases in anthropogenic atmospheric CO2 levels. The Medieval Warm Period and Little Ice Age are well known examples of such climate changes, but in addition, at least 23 periods of climatic warming and cooling have occurred in the past 500 years. Each period of warming or cooling lasted about 25-30 years (average 27 years). Two cycles of global warming and two of global cooling have occurred during the past century, and the global cooling that has occurred since 1998 is exactly in phase with the long term pattern. Global cooling occurred from 1880 to ~1915; global warming occurred from ~1915 to ~1945; global cooling occurred from ~1945-1977;, global warming occurred from 1977 to 1998; and global cooling has occurred since 1998. All of these global climate changes show exceptionally good correlation with solar variation since the Little Ice Age 400 years ago.

The IPCC predicted global warming of 0.6° C (1° F) by 2011 and 1.2° C (2° F) by 2038, whereas Easterbrook (2001) predicted the beginning of global cooling by 2007 (± 3-5 yrs) and cooling of about 0.3-0.5° C until ~2035. The predicted cooling seems to have already begun. Recent measurements of global temperatures suggest a gradual cooling trend since 1998 and 2007-2008 was a year of sharp global cooling. The cooling trend will likely continue as the sun enters a cycle of lower irradiance and the Pacific Ocean changed from its warm mode to its cool mode.
Comparisons of historic global climate warming and cooling, glacial fluctuations, changes in warm/cool mode of the Pacific Decadal Oscillation (PDO) and the Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation (AMO), and sun spot activity over the past century show strong correlations and provide a solid data base for future climate change projections. The announcement by NASA that the Pacific Decadal Oscillation (PDO) had shifted to its cool phase is right on schedule as predicted by past climate and PDO changes (Easterbrook, 2001, 2006, 2007) and coincides with recent solar variations. The PDO typically lasts 25-30 years, virtually assuring several decades of global cooling. The IPCC predictions of global temperatures 1° F warmer by 2011, 2° F warmer by 2038, and 10° F by 2100 stand little chance of being correct.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Wed 31 Mar, 2010 05:58 pm
http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=f80a6386-802a-23ad-40c8-3c63dc2d02cb
As of December 20, 2007, more than 400 prominent scientists from more than two dozen countries have voiced significant objections to major aspects of the alleged UN IPCC "consensus" on man-made global warming.

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http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.SenateReport#report
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Climate scientist Dr. David Douglass of the University of Rochester refuted the entire basis for man-made climate fears in 2007. Douglass co-authored a December 2007 peer-reviewed paper published in the International Journal of Climatology of the Royal Meteorological Society which found the evidence for human influence for warming temperatures lacking in the atmosphere. "The observed pattern of warming, comparing surface and atmospheric temperature trends does not show the characteristic fingerprint associated with greenhouse warming. The inescapable conclusion is that the human contribution is not significant and that observed increases in carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases make only a negligible contribution to climate warming," said Douglass, the paper's lead author on December 10, 2007. The paper was co-authored with Physicist Dr. S. Fred Singer, Climatologist Dr. John Christy and Benjamin D. Pearson. (LINK)

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Climate scientist Dr. Dick Morgan, former director of Canada's Met/Oceano Policy and Plans, a marine meteorologist and a climate researcher at both Exeter University and the Bedford Institute of Oceanography, rejected man-made climate fears in 2007. "I have had over 65 years of global climatic experience in every ocean of the world and am convinced that solar variability is the major component of climate change. It influences the global thermohaline circulation and the quasi-permanent pressure oscillations which export polar air towards the ITF via the Trade Winds. Hence, seasonal Monsoons, Tropical Storms and ENSO generation," Morgan, a former associate of the British Antarctic Survey Group at Cambridge, wrote to EPW on November 18, 2007. "The Major GHGs (greenhouse gases) are water vapour and ozone -- the latter being more important than CO2 in fossil fuel emissions because of its effect upon aerosols which determine cloud albedo and chemistry. Having been a forecaster at an airfield in Glasgow, during the coal burning period, I can vouch for that statement empirically," Morgan explained. "CO2 warming is not entirely detrimental because of its feedback as a catalyst for the greening of the terrestrial surface as its own sink in forestry, food production and grazing crops for animals. Its attributes and detriments are probably near balanced," he wrote. "As there is a perfect correlation between population growth and CO2, the major objective of Kyoto should be population control, otherwise it is simply pissing against the wind," he added. "As the IPCC does not have an adequate representation of oceanographers and solar scientists in its WG1 (Working Group 1) and [IPCC] Panel, it is not representative of the total scientific forum of experts in climate change integers, Centers of expertise in oceanography are almost unanimously advising that if IPCC models are right then the Gulf Stream will fail and scientists in highly reputable solar research centers are anticipating 60 years of solar quiescence are imminent. The IPCC are not advising the public of these alternative theses which advocate cooling -- countering anthropogenic warming," he concluded.

Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 31 Mar, 2010 09:44 pm
http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/europe/03/31/climate.change/index.html

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The UK scientist at the center of the “Climategate” controversy over leaked e-mails has been cleared of hiding or manipulating data by a parliamentary committee.

But lawmakers who had been investigating the row over global warming science said in a report published Wednesday that climate scientists must publish all their raw data and methods to ensure the research is “irreproachable.”

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The Commons report said the leaked emails suggested a “blunt refusal” by Jones to share scientific data but its chairman Phil Willis said there was no evidence that Jones hid or manipulated data to back up his own science.


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