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Global Warming...New Report...and it ain't happy news

 
 
parados
 
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Reply Mon 26 Oct, 2009 07:05 am
@Ionus,
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I never said there was one homogenous group.
Really? Then could you explain this statement by you?

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Because all the plots came from the nobility/upper class.


Looks to me like you said all the plots to stop Hitler came from one homogenous group.
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Ionus
 
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Reply Mon 26 Oct, 2009 07:08 am
@Walter Hinteler,
I was referring to this forum if you read back. Anyway, why quote churches in Germany as a kind of really nice group of people ? Have human beings changed since the Witch Trails and the christian churchs repeated attack on Jews, some even as late as the 1940's ?

Nothing I said was a reference to you, your country or your religion. I still maintain that I have been vilified by Global Warming enthusiasts on this forum. What have you contributed to that statement ?
parados
 
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Reply Mon 26 Oct, 2009 07:11 am
@Ionus,
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Nothing I said was a reference to you, your country or your religion. I still maintain that I have been vilified by Global Warming enthusiasts on this forum. What have you contributed to that statement ?

Would that be a GUESS on your part? You certainly haven't provided any scientific evidence to support it. So, we can assume that it is a GUESS, can't we? And being a GUESS, we can discount it completely as being inaccurate, can't we?
old europe
 
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Reply Mon 26 Oct, 2009 07:17 am
@Ionus,
German nobility, "as a group of people", certainly didn't resist Hitler the most. If you're arguing that out of the assassination attempts that arose from within the military, a disproportionately large number of officers were noble, then the reason might be that a disproportionately large number of all officers were noblemen. That said, resistance in noble circles was practically non-existent until 1939, when Hitler's aggressive foreign policy changed to open declarations of war. Members of German nobility had a lot to gain from the NSDAP's rise to power. After World War I, the treaty of Versailles imposed dramatic reductions in military numbers on Germany. Many members of noble families had traditionally been career officers, and unlike conscripted soldiers, they found themselves without any peacetime skills or jobs after they had been stripped of their military ranks. They welcomed Hitler's policy of rearmament and of dramatically increasing military numbers after 1933. Only .15% of the population were nobility, but in Germany's new army, 15% of all officers were noblemen.
The fact that the NSDAP defined citizenship and racial purity in terms of bloodlines also didn't hurt their reputation in noble circles, and even Hitler's declared goal of colonizing "the East" was received quite well in some noble families.

The military aspect and the involvement of noblemen in assassination attempts like "Operation Walküre" have been portrayed way out of proportion after the end of World War II. The conspirators of the 20 July plot included people from all kinds of groups - former members of the Social Democrat Party, the Center Party, the DNVP, the church etc.
Out of the 200 people that were executed and the 5000 that were arrested as a consequence of the attempted coup, the Gestapo rounded up anyone who was even remotely connected to the plot, and in many cases used the opportunity to settle scores that had nothing at all to do with the plot. There was no "purge" of noble officers after the 20 July plot, because those officers stood firmly behind Hitler and the NSDAP.
Ionus
 
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Reply Mon 26 Oct, 2009 07:27 am
@parados,
I talk about being vilified and you show up. Welcome back parados. Do you smell blood ? Is there safety in numbers ? I am still waiting for you to answer questions on Global Warming...

1. So if you had to pick out one group who resisted...
2. I asked Walt to pick out one German group who, as a group of people, resisted....

What dont you like ? Is a ''t'' not crossed ? Explain to me how the goal posts have moved.

As for putting something in bold, if you understand what you are talking about perhaps you will be more forthcoming ?

If it bothers you that much and because I know what a warm sneering hateful nice person you are, I will change it.

Because most of the viable assassination attempts came from the nobility/upper class.

Will you be able to sleep now ?

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It's funny that you should attack others for believing something when you post such nonsense and then run away from it.


This is the pot calling the kettle black bum. Where have you been ? You are the main one to attack someone for their beliefs. But you never were good at keeping control when something as important as the internet was involved. Still, you have a lot of enthusiasm and if you keep trying you might turn out to be a nice person when you grow up.

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Ionus
 
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Reply Mon 26 Oct, 2009 07:47 am
@parados,
You can smell blood cant you ? Have you got the help you deserve yet ? Do you still feel threatened by me ?

I am still waiting for you to supply something that shows you understand anything of what you write. Sneering, calling people liars, telling them they have their head in their arse... these are the trademarks of an arrogant fool. Are you an arrogant fool ? You are a main offender when it comes to vilifying someone for their opinion. You have shown one personality disorder after another. Quoting one site after another but being unable to answer questions is also a bit weak, dont you think ? If someone can repeat something parrot fashion but can not prove they understand it, I would say that person has been educated beyond their intelligence.

No, it is not a guess like Global Warming is a guess. As usual I have to explain everything to you. A guess is not competely inaccurate. It may be competely right. But you can not treat it as accurate. If you dont understand, please ask some more questions because unlike you I will take the time to answer. Any feedback on my questions on Global Warming yet ? Or are you still scared ? Do you feel safe arguing with me while I fend off others ? I hope so, because it wont last forever.
Ionus
 
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Reply Mon 26 Oct, 2009 07:49 am
@old europe,
Thank you for your calm presentation of facts. Whilst not doubting what you say, I will check to further my understanding as at this stage it appears I was wrong.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Mon 26 Oct, 2009 08:11 am
@Ionus,
Do your own research, and spare us from your literalist nit-picking. Obviously, you are a contarian, the type of person who largely brought the USA to its knees.
Advocate
 
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Reply Mon 26 Oct, 2009 08:15 am
@Ionus,
One may occasionally go off on a tangent, but you abuse the privilege. Let's stick to the topic.
Ionus
 
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Reply Mon 26 Oct, 2009 08:26 am
@Advocate,
I am a literalist nit-picker ? Have you even read what parados writes or is he sacred because he has the same beliefs as you ? Are you aware it takes two or more to have an argument but you only blame me ? Do you feel hurt because you are a Global Warming enthusiast and you are losing ?

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the type of person who largely brought the USA to its knees.


If that was an attempt at humour it was awful. An educated person may have already guessed where I was from..there are enough clues...but it is not the USA. By the way, would I be a better person if I agreed with you ?

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you are a contarian

I dont even know what you are talking about. Stick to quoting others, you make more sense.
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Ionus
 
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Reply Mon 26 Oct, 2009 08:28 am
@Advocate,
I thank you for permission to go off at a tangent, but I didnt realise it was yours to give. As for abusing the privelage that you gave me, it takes more than one to argue.

I agree. Lets stick to the topic.
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sumac
 
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Reply Mon 26 Oct, 2009 09:17 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Quite right, Walter, and hi.
ican711nm
 
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Reply Mon 26 Oct, 2009 10:44 am
http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=f80a6386-802a-23ad-40c8-3c63dc2d02cb
As of December 20, 2007, more than 400 prominent scientists from more than two dozen countries have voiced significant objections to major aspects of the alleged UN IPCC "consensus" on man-made global warming.

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http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.SenateReport#report
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60 Prominent Scientists came forward in 2006 to question the so-called "consensus" that the Earth faces a "climate emergency." The 60 scientists wrote an open letter in 2006 to the Canadian Prime Minister asserting that the science is deteriorating from underneath global warming alarmists. "If, back in the mid-1990s, we knew what we know today about climate, Kyoto would almost certainly not exist, because we would have concluded it was not necessary," the 60 scientists wrote on April 6, 2006. "Observational evidence does not support today's computer climate models, so there is little reason to trust model predictions of the future...Significant [scientific] advances have been made since the [Kyoto] protocol was created, many of which are taking us away from a concern about increasing greenhouse gases," the 60 scientists wrote. "‘Climate change is real' is a meaningless phrase used repeatedly by activists to convince the public that a climate catastrophe is looming and humanity is the cause. Neither of these fears is justified. Global climate changes all the time due to natural causes and the human impact still remains impossible to distinguish from this natural ‘noise,'" they added. "It was only 30 years ago that many of today's global-warming alarmists were telling us that the world was in the midst of a global-cooling catastrophe. But the science continued to evolve, and still does, even though so many choose to ignore it when it does not fit with predetermined political agendas," the 60 scientists concluded. Scientists signing the letter included: Dr. Paul Copper, FRSC, professor emeritus, Dept. of Earth Sciences, Laurentian University, Sudbury, Ont.; Dr. Andreas Prokoph, adjunct professor of earth sciences, University of Ottawa; consultant in statistics and geology; Mr. David Nowell, M.Sc. (Meteorology), fellow of the Royal Meteorological Society, Canadian member and past chairman of the NATO Meteorological Group, Ottawa; Dr. L. Graham Smith, associate professor, Dept. of Geography, University of Western Ontario, London, Ont.; Dr. G. Cornelis van Kooten, professor and Canada Research Chair in environmental studies and climate change, Dept. of Economics, University of Victoria; Dr./Cdr. M. R. Morgan, FRMS, climate consultant, former meteorology advisor to the World Meteorological Organization. Previously research scientist in climatology at University of Exeter, U.K.; Dr. Keith D. Hage, climate consultant and professor emeritus of Meteorology, University of Alberta; Rob Scagel, M.Sc., forest microclimate specialist, principal consultant, Pacific Phytometric Consultants, Surrey, B.C.; Dr. Douglas Leahey, meteorologist and air-quality consultant, Calgary; Dr. Gerrit J. van der Lingen, geologist/paleoclimatologist, Climate Change Consultant, Geoscience Research and Investigations, New Zealand; Dr. Asmunn Moene, past head of the Forecasting Centre, Meteorological Institute, Norway; Dr. Jack Barrett, chemist and spectroscopist, formerly with Imperial College London, U.K.; Dr. Harry N.A. Priem, emeritus professor of planetary geology and isotope geophysics, Utrecht University; former director of the Netherlands Institute for Isotope Geosciences; past president of the Royal Netherlands Geological & Mining Society; Dipl.-Ing. Peter Dietze, independent energy advisor and scientific climate and carbon modeller, official IPCC reviewer, Bavaria, Germany; Dr. Hugh W. Ellsaesser, physicist/meteorologist, previously with the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, Calif.; atmospheric consultant; Dr. Arthur Rorsch, emeritus professor of molecular genetics, Leiden University, The Netherlands; past board member, Netherlands organization for applied research (TNO) in environmental, food and public health; and Dr. Alister McFarquhar, Downing College, Cambridge, U.K.; international economist. (LINK) (See attachment two for full letter and complete list of signatories at end of "Consensus Busters" report)

Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 26 Oct, 2009 11:45 am
@Ionus,
Ionus wrote:
Anyway, why quote churches in Germany as a kind of really nice group of people ? Have human beings changed since the Witch Trails and the christian churchs repeated attack on Jews, some even as late as the 1940's ?


Since you corrected my responses - may I kindly ask you to show where I quoted (sic!) "churches as a kind of really nice group of people"???
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 26 Oct, 2009 11:47 am
@sumac,
Hi sumac Wink
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High Seas
 
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Reply Mon 26 Oct, 2009 02:13 pm
@old europe,
old europe wrote:

German nobility, "as a group of people", certainly didn't resist Hitler the most. If you're arguing that out of the assassination attempts that arose from within the military, a disproportionately large number of officers were noble, then the reason might be that a disproportionately large number of all officers were noblemen. That said, resistance in noble circles was practically non-existent until 1939, when Hitler's aggressive foreign policy changed to open declarations of war. ....

That's wrong as far as the East Prussian officer corps is concerned. And where do these statistics on officers with titles of nobility come from? For some reason the prefix "von" was subsequently added to names of people who didn't claim it - General Friedrich Paulus is a well-known case. But anyway - haven't been following this thread and can't bear to read back and search for the poster who first blamed Hitler for alleged global warming! I second the motion to drop that extraneous subject, or third it, or whatever number applies.
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Ionus
 
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Reply Mon 26 Oct, 2009 04:46 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Certainly :

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the Evangelical Church of Germany and the Catholic Church are in frontline re environment: it's seen as Christian virtue ...


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I don't think that e.g the Evangelical Church of Germanywere very happy to by named so. [when responding to :
the new home of anti-capitalists, extreme socialists, communists, etc., is the environmental and global warming movement


perhaps you were saying they are all bad people...For my part, I thought you were saying Christians are nice people.
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Ionus
 
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Reply Mon 26 Oct, 2009 04:55 pm
@ican711nm,
Well, ican, it seems nothing counts unless you support Global Warming. Global Warming enthusiasts must feel very powerful to KNOW they are right depsite the science. People believe in all sorts of whacko things without evidence. Global Warming has attracted even more than usual because of the false belief it is solid science. When the public can see Global Warming is nonsense you wont be able to find an enthusiast. They will all maintian they never believed.
ican711nm
 
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Reply Mon 26 Oct, 2009 06:05 pm
@Ionus,
Ionus, I confess that I believe my side of the earth warms during the day and cools at night, except when it doesn't.
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Mon 26 Oct, 2009 06:50 pm
Sorry, guys, you're wrong. Among other things, the earth is NOT cooling. It has NOT been cooling for the last ten years. 2005 WAS THE HOTTEST YEAR ON RECORD, as we've been telling you. The last decade was the warmest on record. The skeptics have been cherry picking the data, as we've been telling you. Blind statistical tests on the date indicate no cooling trend. But don't take my word for it:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33482750/ns/us_news-environment/
 

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