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Global Warming...New Report...and it ain't happy news

 
 
Advocate
 
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Reply Tue 27 Jan, 2009 02:36 pm
A top scientist just announced that earth is beyond the tipping point. The warming is irreversible, and it will be cataclysmic. However, proper action may slow this down.
rosborne979
 
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Reply Tue 27 Jan, 2009 02:39 pm
@Advocate,
Advocate wrote:

A top scientist just announced that earth is beyond the tipping point. The warming is irreversible, and it will be cataclysmic. However, proper action may slow this down.

Who is the "top scientist"? And did he/she say if the cataclysm will end in ice or fire, and when?

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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Tue 27 Jan, 2009 02:41 pm
@Advocate,


Proper action includes rocketing Al Gore to the sun.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Tue 27 Jan, 2009 02:42 pm
@Vietnamnurse,


At least you gave it some thought.
ican711nm
 
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Reply Tue 27 Jan, 2009 04:25 pm
CAD increased about 130 ppm over the last 100 years. That's about 1.3 ppm per year.

AAGT has increased about 0.9 degrees C. or 1.6 degrees Fahrenheit over the past 100 years. That's about 0.016 degrees Fahrenheit per year.

If CAD keeps increasing at the same rate over the next 100 years and is the major cause of AAGT increases, then we can expect another 1.6 degrees Fahrenheit increase in AAGT in 100 years.

Wow! We'll be able to fry eggs on the sidewalk during the winter. Dontcha think?

That will surely tip the earth over .... uh, bring the earth to the tipping point.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Tue 27 Jan, 2009 05:01 pm
@H2O MAN,
Laughing
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spendius
 
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Reply Tue 27 Jan, 2009 05:44 pm
@H2O MAN,
I agree with Foxy. Might be better if he missed the sun and carried on.
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okie
 
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Reply Tue 27 Jan, 2009 08:56 pm
@H2O MAN,
H2O MAN wrote:



Proper action includes rocketing Al Gore to the sun.
Where has Al Gore been lately? I haven't noticed him much. Did he have the concert in the Arctic and melt some more of the ice there?
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Tue 27 Jan, 2009 11:08 pm
@okie,
okie wrote:

H2O MAN wrote:



Proper action includes rocketing Al Gore to the sun.
Where has Al Gore been lately? I haven't noticed him much. Did he have the concert in the Arctic and melt some more of the ice there?


http://ladybunny.net/blog/uploaded_images/Al-Gore-R-723196.jpg
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spendius
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jan, 2009 07:30 am
He was at the inauguration. As fat as ever. Flash suit.

If we all lived like Al the tides would be lapping up Mt Everest and we would all need breathing apparatus.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jan, 2009 11:56 am
http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/nhshgl.gif
http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/nhshgl.gif
Average Annual Global Temperature Trend 1850-2008
Advocate
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jan, 2009 02:31 pm
@Advocate,
Julienne Stroeve, of the NSIDC, who led the study with her colleague Mark Serreze, said that autumn air temperatures this year and in recent years have been anomalously high. The Arctic Ocean warmed more than usual because heat from the sun was absorbed more easily by the dark areas of open water compared to the highly reflective surface of a frozen sea. "Autumn 2008 saw very strong surface temperature anomalies over the areas where the sea ice was lost," Dr Stroeve told The Independent ahead of her presentation today.

"The observed autumn warming that we've seen over the Arctic Ocean, not just this year but over the past five years or so, represents Arctic amplification, the notion that rises in surface air temperatures in response to increased atmospheric greenhouse gas concentrations will be larger in the Arctic than elsewhere over the globe," she said. "The warming climate is leading to more open water in the Arctic Ocean. As these open water areas develop through spring and summer, they absorb most of the sun's energy, leading to ocean warming.

"In autumn, as the sun sets in the Arctic, most of the heat that was gained in the ocean during summer is released back to the atmosphere, acting to warm the atmosphere. It is this heat-release back to the atmosphere that gives us Arctic amplification."

--alternet.org
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jan, 2009 02:59 pm
@ican711nm,
I dont know why you post data like that ican, when you are anti global warming and anti science.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jan, 2009 03:09 pm
he posts it because he misinterprets it and thinks it backs up his position, when in fact it tells us just the opposite.
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hamburger
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jan, 2009 03:15 pm
@rosborne979,
rosborne wrote :

Quote:
Re: farmerman (Post 3547468)
farmerman wrote:

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Im somehow saddened how this has turned into a politicized issue, when its a scientific one that is either based upon data or not. The most compelling piece of data that supports a natural climate change cycle is the fact thatCO2 seems to be a LAGGING indicator, not a leading one.


I was thinking the same thing. I keep bringing up the fact that the climate has been warming for almost 60k years and is probably heading for a rapid flip-flop into cold cold cold, but nobody seems interested in the data (or they ignore the long term data and only argue about the last few meaningless centuries). The discussion always seems to turn into a conservative versus liberal argument. I don't think people are really interested in "climate change", I think they are interested in "ideology change".


since dutchy wrote about the extreme heat "down under" - a low of 33 C , i believe - , i did a bit of a "lookup" on australian weather .
dutchy also wrote :
Quote:
45.7C or 115Fahrenheidt yesterday, probably the same today


have come across some info that i find quite interesting :

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Small changes in global average temperature have a major impact on nature. The global average temperature during the last Ice Age 10 to 20,000 years ago, which created vast areas under ice and glaciers, was only 8"10°C cooler than today (Hadley Centre, 1999).

Similarly, we can expect increases in the global average temperature of a few degrees will have dramatic changes on local environments and climatic conditions.

By 2030, average annual temperatures in Australia will be between 0.4 " 2.0°C higher than in 1990, and by 2070 it will be between 1 " 6°C warmer (CSIRO 2001). These are dramatic changes, and they are predicted to occur within our lifetimes


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Throughout the world, just a few of the changes that are occurring now include:


22 of 35 non-migratory European butterfly species have shifted northwards by 35 " 240 km this century (Hughes 2000).


The only two vascular plant species in Antarctica have increased in numbers between 1964 and 1990 when there have been warmer summers and milder winters (Hughes 2000).


Changes in migration patterns of birds have been noted in Europe, North America and Latin America (IPCCb 2001).


Populations of Adelies Penguins, which inhabit pack ice, have decreased by 22 percent as sea ice has declined; Chinstrap Penguins, which prefer open water, have increased by more than 400 percent (IPCCb 2001).


The massive climate-related coral bleaching event of 1998 destroyed about 16 percent of coral reefs of the world in 9 months (Wilkinson, 2000).


A rise in surface sea temperatures of 0.8°C over 42 years was accompanied by a decline in zooplankton abundance of 70 per cent over 20 years, and further up the food chain, a decline in Sooty Shearwater abundance by 90 per cent (more than 4 million birds) (Hughes, 2000).


see for full text :
http://www.cana.net.au/bush/global_warming.htm

anyone looking for global weather information and related data might find the HADLEY CENTRE - also known as METOFFICE (the weather office of the british government ) - useful .
it's a treasure trove of information for anyone who has the time to work through it - not an easy task .


saee here :
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/research/hadleycentre/



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okie
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jan, 2009 04:03 pm
http://www.camvista.com/images/archive/large/10047/17.jpg?27100049
It looks hot in dc today while Gore testifys about the emergencies of global warming.
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okie
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jan, 2009 04:11 pm
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/01/27/james-hansens-former-nasa-supervisor-declares-himself-a-skeptic-says-hansen-embarrassed-nasa-was-never-muzzled/

Ex supervisor of Hansen speaks out:

“I appreciate the opportunity to add my name to those who disagree that global warming is man made,” Theon wrote to the Minority Office at the Environment and Public Works Committee on January 15, 2009. “I was, in effect, Hansen’s supervisor because I had to justify his funding, allocate his resources, and evaluate his results,” Theon, the former Chief of the Climate Processes Research Program at NASA Headquarters and former Chief of the Atmospheric Dynamics & Radiation Branch explained.

“Hansen was never muzzled even though he violated NASA’s official agency position on climate forecasting (i.e., we did not know enough to forecast climate change or mankind’s effect on it). Hansen thus embarrassed NASA by coming out with his claims of global warming in 1988 in his testimony before Congress,” Theon wrote. [Note: NASA scientist James Hansen has created worldwide media frenzy with his dire climate warning, his call for trials against those who dissent against man-made global warming fear, and his claims that he was allegedly muzzled by the Bush administration despite doing 1,400 on-the-job media interviews! - See: Don't Panic Over Predictions of Climate Doom - Get the Facts on James Hansen - UK Register: Veteran climate scientist says 'lock up the oil men' - June 23, 2008 & UK Guardian: NASA scientist calls for putting oil firm chiefs on trial for 'high crimes against humanity' for spreading doubt about man-made global warming - June 23, 2008 ]

Theon declared “climate models are useless.” “My own belief concerning anthropogenic climate change is that the models do not realistically simulate the climate system because there are many very important sub-grid scale processes that the models either replicate poorly or completely omit,” Theon explained. “Furthermore, some scientists have manipulated the observed data to justify their model results. In doing so, they neither explain what they have modified in the observations, nor explain how they did it. They have resisted making their work transparent so that it can be replicated independently by other scientists. This is clearly contrary to how science should be done. Thus there is no rational justification for using climate model forecasts to determine public policy,” he added.

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ican711nm
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jan, 2009 04:23 pm
@Steve 41oo,
ftp://ftp.cmdl.noaa.gov/ccg/co2/trends/co2_mm_mlo.txt
http://biocab.org/Solar_Irradiance_is_Actually_Increasing.html
http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/hadcrut3gl.txt
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/research/2007/ann/global.html

CAGT = CENTURY AVERAGE GLOBAL TEMERATURE,1901-2000, in °K
AAGT= ANNUAL AVERAGE GLOBAL TEMPERATURE in °K
A-AAGT = ANOMALIES of AAGT = AAGT - CAGT in °K
SI = SOLAR IRRADIANCE in W/M^2
CAD = CO2 ATMOSPHERIC DENSITY in PPM

YEAR . . CAD . SI . A-AAGT . AAGT
1998 367.61 1366.11 0.546 287.606
1999 368.59 1366.39 0.296 287.356
2000 370.33 1366.67 0.270 287.330
2001 371.83 1366.40 0.409 287.469
2002 374.45 1366.37 0.464 287.524
2003 376.71 1366.07 0.473 287.533
2004 378.23 1365.91 0.447 287.507
2005 380.78 1365.81 0.482 287.542
2006 382.55 1365.72 0.422 287.482
2007 384.60 1365.66 0.405 287.465
2008 386.20 1365.60 0.325 287.384

It is a fact that during the specific 90 year period,
1908 to 1998, CAD increased, SI increased, A-AAGT
increased, and AAGT increased. It is also a fact that
during the specific 11 year period, 1998 to 2008,
CAD increased, SI decreased, A-AAGT decreased, and
AAGT decreased. Because of these facts, SI increases
and decreases are likely to be the major causes of
A-AAGT and AAGT increases and decreases.

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hamburger
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jan, 2009 05:05 pm
THE ROYAL SOCIETY has published some extensive reports of their scientific studies on CLIMATE CHANGE :

http://royalsociety.org/landing.asp?id=1278

the introduction reads :

Quote:
International scientific consensus agrees that increasing levels of man-made greenhouse gases are leading to global climate change. Possible consequences of climate change include rising temperatures, changing sea levels, and impacts on global weather. These changes could have serious impacts on the world's organisms and on the lives of millions of people, especially those living in areas vulnerable to extreme natural conditions such as flooding and drought.


i would recommend that the published reports be read at leisure - copying them on a2k would exhaust its storage capacity .
so i'll just say : HAPPY READING !
and no need to claim that there is not enough scientific proof to support the CLIMATE CHANGE thesis .
since many of their reports are made in "point form" , it is not difficult at all to read the articles "one point at a time" , and comment on them as required .
it's a bit of work , but quite enlightening imo .
hbg

a good start can be made at "Facts and Fiction about Climate Change" :

http://royalsociety.org/page.asp?id=4761

example :

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Misleading arguments 2. Many scientists do not think that climate change is a problem.
Some scientists have signed petitions stating that climate change is not a problem.


There are some differences of opinion among scientists about some of the details of climate change
and the contribution of human activities, such as the burning of fossil fuels. Researchers continue to
collect more data about climate change and to investigate different explanations for the evidence.
However, the overwhelming majority of scientists who work on climate change agree on the main
points, even if there is still some uncertainty about particular aspects, such as how the concentration of
greenhouse gases in the atmosphere will change in the future.
In the journal Science in 2004, Oreskes published the results of a survey of 928 papers on climate
change published in peer-reviewed journals between 1993 and 2003. She found that three-quarters of
the papers either explicitly or implicitly accepted the view expressed in the IPCC 2001 report that
human activities have had a major impact on climate change in the last 50 years, and none rejected it.
There are some individuals and organisations, some of which are funded by the US oil industry, that
seek to undermine the science of climate change and the work of the IPCC. They appear motivated in
their arguments by opposition to the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change and
the Kyoto Protocol, which seek urgent action to tackle climate change through a reduction in
greenhouse gas emissions.


again : HAPPY READING !
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jan, 2009 05:27 pm


Owl Gore braved Washington DC's snow and ice to warn everyone about
global warming, but he has renamed it climate change and a climate crisis.

No matter what name he put's on it, Americans are not buying into his BS.



 

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