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Global Warming...New Report...and it ain't happy news

 
 
ican711nm
 
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Reply Tue 30 Dec, 2008 04:07 pm
http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/nhshgl.gif
http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/nhshgl.gif
Average Annual Global Temperature


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/88/Mauna_Loa_Carbon_Dioxide.png
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/88/Mauna_Loa_Carbon_Dioxide.png
CO2 Trend

http://www.biocab.org/Solar_Irradiance_English.jpg
http://www.biocab.org/Solar_Irradiance_English.jpg
Solar Irradiance 1611 t0 2001

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/research/2007/ann/global.html
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http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/research/2007/ann/global.html
Climate of 2007
Annual Report
National Climatic Data Center
15 January 2008
...
The 1901-2000 average combined land and ocean annual temperature is 13.9°C (56.9°F), the annually averaged land temperature for the same period is 8.5°C (47.3°F), and the long-term annually averaged sea surface temperature is 16.1°C (60.9°F).


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ican711nm
 
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Reply Tue 30 Dec, 2008 04:13 pm
http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=f80a6386-802a-23ad-40c8-3c63dc2d02cb

As of December 20, 2007, over 400 prominent scientists--not a minority of those scientists who have published their views on global warming--from more than two dozen countries have voiced significant objections to major aspects of the alleged UN IPCC "consensus" on man-made global warming.

THE DISSENTS OF THE SCIENTIFIC DISSENTERS

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http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.SenateReport#report

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Meteorologist Brian van de Graaff attributed recent warming trends to natural variability. "History has taught us that weather patterns are cyclical and although we have noticed a warming pattern in recent time, I don't know what generalizations can be made from this with the lack of long-term scientific data," van de Graaff said in a December 2006 interview. Van de Graaff, who holds the prestigious Seal of Approval from the American Meteorological Society, also noted how global warming has turned into such a heated debate. "Often, it is so politicized and those on both sides don't always appear to have their facts straight," he said. (LINK)

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Meteorologist David Aldrich declared, "I am a global warming skeptic" in an April 9, 2007 blog post. "If you have had doubts, you have come to the right place," Aldrich wrote. "Although, I believe man plays a role in climate change through urbanization ("the heat island effect" & development), land use changes, and aerosols and gases -- natural factors are ALSO important, most notably the sun and ocean," Aldrich who is certified by both the American Meteorological Society and the National Weather Association, explained. (LINK) "There's a different side to what is causing climate change. I think too much emphasis has been put on CO2. I do not believe CO2 is a pollutant. I'm made of CO2, you're made of CO2 ... the ocean is a reservoir of CO2," Aldrich explained in a June 6, 2007 article in City Paper. (LINK)

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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Tue 30 Dec, 2008 04:19 pm


Are the graphs and charts getting larger?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 2 Jan, 2009 03:12 am
http://i42.tinypic.com/9sx7w7.jpg
From the Independent:Climate change: what can we do to save our planet
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Fri 2 Jan, 2009 05:50 am
http://www.libnot.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/gore_firegloablawarminghoax.jpg
http://www.tompaine.com/upload/climatehoax.jpg
okie
 
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Reply Fri 2 Jan, 2009 10:56 am
@H2O MAN,
I gave you one thumbs up, H2OMAN, to at least get you to a zero!

We know the true cause of global warming now!
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okie
 
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Reply Fri 2 Jan, 2009 10:58 am
@Walter Hinteler,
I would suggest Plan B to be: forget the entire much ado about nothing, and run the hoaxers out of town on a rail, to Siberia where they will like the cooler temperatures. 2 Cents Smile
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 2 Jan, 2009 11:19 am
@okie,
Well, okie, why not send them Gitmo instead of Gulag? At least, you could supervise their re-education yourself - and you've got the sufficient space for punishment as well.
ican711nm
 
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Reply Fri 2 Jan, 2009 12:27 pm
http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/nhshgl.gif
http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/webdata/ccgg/trends/co2_data_mlo.pdf
http://www.biocab.org/Solar_Irradiance_English.jpg
YEAR = 1900 1920 1940 1960 1980 2000
SI in W/M^2 = 1365.5 1365.6 1365.7 1365.8 1365.9 1366.0
/\ .. AAGT / SI = 0.209857195 0.209988284 0.210119353 0.210250403 0.210381433 0.210512445
CAD in CO2 PPM = 241.600000000 267.600000000 293.600000000 319.600000000 345.600000000 371.600000000
\/ .. AAGT /CAD = 1.186092715 1.071599402 0.977384196 0.898498123 0.831481481 0.773842842
MFF in EPPM = 6.000000000 7.000000000 8.000000000 9.000000000 10.000000000 11.000000000
\/ .. AAGT / MFF = 47.760000000 40.965714286 35.870000000 31.906666667 28.736000000 26.141818182

% CONTRIBUTIONS BY SI, CAD, & MMF TO TOTAL AAGT
1ST, 2ND, 3RD, & 4TH ROWS ARE, RESPECTIVELY, AAGT CONTRIBUTIONS BY SI, CAD, MMF, & THEIR SUM.
95.00% 272.2319998 272.4220006 272.6120004 272.8020004 272.9919994 273.1819999
4.90% 14.04144 14.05124 14.06104 14.07084001 14.08063999 14.09044
0.10% 0.286560 0.286760 0.286960 0.287160 0.287360 0.287560
100.00% 286.560 286.760 286.960 287.160 287.360 287.560
- CAGT = CENT'RY AVG. GLOB.TEMP: 1901 TO 2000 in °K = 287.06 287.06 287.06 287.06 287.06 287.06
ANOMINALIES in °K = -0.500 -0.300 -0.100 0.100 0.300 0.500
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Fri 2 Jan, 2009 12:35 pm
ftp://ftp.cmdl.noaa.gov/ccg/co2/trends/co2_mm_mlo.txt
http://biocab.org/Solar_Irradiance_is_Actually_Increasing.html
http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/hadcrut3gl.txt
YEAR ....... CAD ........... SI .......... AAGT ANOMALIES
1998 .......... 367.61 .......... 1366.11 ........ 0.546
1999 .......... 368.59 .......... 1366.39 ....... 0.296
2000 .......... 370.33 .......... 1366.67 ...... 0.270
2001 .......... 371.83 .......... 1366.40 ...... 0.409
2002 .......... 374.45 .......... 1366.37 ..... 0.464
2003 .......... 376.71 .......... 1366.07 ....... 0.473
2004 .......... 378.23 .......... 1365.91 ....... 0.447
2005 .......... 380.78 .......... 1365.81 ....... 0.482
2006 .......... 382.55 .......... 1365.72 ....... 0.422
2007 .......... 384.60 .......... 1365.66 ....... 0.405
2008 .......... 386.20 .......... 1365.60 ....... 0.324
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okie
 
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Reply Fri 2 Jan, 2009 12:45 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

Well, okie, why not send them Gitmo instead of Gulag? At least, you could supervise their re-education yourself - and you've got the sufficient space for punishment as well.

That was a reverse joke, Walter, in case you missed it. The global warmers are the ones proposing legal action against the non-believers. It won't surprise me to see the gulags for the okies, icans, etc. of the world.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 2 Jan, 2009 12:50 pm
@okie,
okie wrote:
It won't surprise me to see the gulags for the okies, icans, etc. of the world.


If you would know someone who had been there or at least had read something about the GULAGs, you wouldn't joke about it. At least I've little hope.
ican711nm
 
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Reply Fri 2 Jan, 2009 12:53 pm
http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=f80a6386-802a-23ad-40c8-3c63dc2d02cb

As of December 20, 2007, over 400 prominent scientists--not a minority of those scientists who have published their views on global warming--from more than two dozen countries have voiced significant objections to major aspects of the alleged UN IPCC "consensus" on man-made global warming.

Quote:

http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.SenateReport#report

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Renowned hurricane forecaster Dr. William Gray, Emeritus Professor of Atmospheric Science at Colorado State University (CSU), and head of the schools Tropical Meteorology Project, chastised former Vice President Al Gore as "a gross alarmist" in an April 6, 2007 Associated Press interview. "[Gore's] one of these guys that preaches the end-of-the-world type of things. I think he's doing a great disservice and he doesn't know what he's talking about," Dr. Gray said. The AP article explained, "Gray believes a recent increase in strong hurricanes is not due to global warming but is part of a multi-decade trend of alternating busy and slow periods related to ocean circulation patterns." Gray believes current climate researchers rely too much on computer models. "Us older guys that were around in the pre-satellite, pre-computer age, we had to deal with the real weather. Most of these people don't forecast," he said. "They don't live in a real world. They're living in an imaginary world." (LINK)

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okie
 
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Reply Fri 2 Jan, 2009 01:17 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

okie wrote:
It won't surprise me to see the gulags for the okies, icans, etc. of the world.


If you would know someone who had been there or at least had read something about the GULAGs, you wouldn't joke about it. At least I've little hope.

Point taken, but in reality, Walter, we are now seeing politicians seriously proposing legal action against companies and individuals that supposedly are causing global warming by too much greenhouse emissions, such as CO2. Such is all based upon theory, not fact, one of the biggest scams of the century in my opinion, as well as the opinion of numerous scientists. Al Gore is a great example of one of the biggest scam artists in history, and by the way he is one of the biggest hypocrits in regard to this issue. It is comical, but because he and those that think like him are serious, it is more than comical, it is dangerous.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 2 Jan, 2009 02:39 pm
@okie,
It's quite similar here, too: everyone tells you about the dangers of smoking, tabocco companies aren't allowed to advertise, smokers are banned everywhere .... but it's all theory by those big scam artists: serious scientists, sponsored by the tobacco industry, don't believe this.
Very< dangerous, where we are driven.
okie
 
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Reply Fri 2 Jan, 2009 09:24 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Coffin nails have been known a very long time, Walter. No comparison to the climate issue. The study of climate is in its infancy, compared to tobacco. I find your comparisons to be pretty off the mark, even dumb. I think better comparisons would be akin to the studies of coffee, is it bad, is it good, it goes back and forth, same with cholesterol, how many cycles of alarmist reports have we had, before they even discovered there was good cholesterol vs bad cholesterol, don't eat eggs, oh yes do eat eggs no problem, I could come up with other examples.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Wed 7 Jan, 2009 01:28 pm
AAGT= ANNUAL AVERAGE GLOBAL TEMPERATURE in °K.
SI = SOLAR IRRADIANCE in W/M^2.
CAD = CO2 ATMOSPHERIC DENSITY in PPM.
MAF = MISCELLANEOUS ATMOSPHERIC DENSITIES in PPM.

AAGT change 2000 to 2008 = 287.56 - 287.38 = 0.176000.
0.176/287.56 = 0.000612 = 0.0612%.

SI change 2000 to 2008 = 1366.0 - 1365.6 = 0.400000.
0.4/1366.0 = 0.000293 = 0.0293%.

0.02930%/.06120% = 0.479.

The % change in SI is less than half the % change in AAGT 2000 to 2008. That implies that SI is a significant, perhaps the major, forcing factor of AAGT.
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Thu 8 Jan, 2009 05:46 pm
Ican, can you translate that into English for those of us who haven't finished 'basic math for dummies' yet? Very Happy

From Thomas Sowell's intermittant "Random Thoughts" column released this past week:
Quote:
If there are still any educators or others who think that both sides of an issue should be presented, the non-profit Heartland Institute has put together Al Gore's movie "An Inconvenient Truth" and the British Channel 4 program "The Great Global Warming Swindle" in one package with two DVDs.


I may order the set though I hate to think of providing Gore with the royalites.
parados
 
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Reply Thu 8 Jan, 2009 06:37 pm
@ican711nm,
It shows that TSI isn't the majority of the forcings which you have claimed it is.

You continue to undermine your arguments and then pretend you didn't.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Thu 8 Jan, 2009 07:58 pm
@Foxfyre,
Foxfyre, my models are arbitrary.

I claim my models are no more arbitrary than those presented by IPCC. In the case of my model below, I have made the percentage of AAGT caused by SI = 99.0%, the percentage of AAGT caused by CAD = 0.9%, and the percentage of AAGT caused by MAF = 0.1%, totalling 100% (Please see below my definitions of SI, CAD and MAF in my Model II).

By posting arbitrary models, I think those who would rebut my models, should provide alternate models: models of their own or models of others they think are more valid. So far no rebuter has posted any such alternate models. Perhaps no alternates exist, or perhaps no one feels inclined to post a model of their own, or perhaps ......

My observation that the % reduction in AAGT during the years 2000 through 2008 is more than twice as large as the % reduction in SI during the same period, is valid independent of the arbitrariness of my models. I tentatively conclude from that that it requires a relatively small amount of SI reduction to cause a relatively large amount of AAGT reduction. Consequently, it may be true that CO2 and MAF are insignificant contributors to AAGT, since they have actually been increasing during the same period AAGT has been decreasing. If that were to be the case, then SI would be the major cause of AAGT, while CAD and MAF would be minor causes of AAGT.

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MODEL II

YEAR = ...................................................................................................| 1900 1920 1940 1960 1980 2000 2008
CAGT = CENTURY AVERAGE GLOBALTEMERATURE,1901-2000, in °K = | 287.06 287.06 287.06 287.06 287.06 287.06 287.06

AAGT= ANNUAL AVERAGE GLOBALTEMPERATURE in °K = | 286.56 286.76 286.96 287.16 287.36 287.56 287.38

ANOMALIES of AAGT = AAGT - CAGT in °K = | -0.50 -0.30 -0.10 0.10 0.30 0.50 0.32

SI = SOLAR IRRADIANCE in W/M^2 = | 1365.50 1365.60 1365.70 1365.80 1365.90 1366.00 1365.60

CAD = CO2 ATMOSPHERIC DENSITY in PPM = | 241.60 267.60 293.60 319.60 345.60 371.60 386.20

MAF = MISCELLANEOUS ATMOSPHERIC DENSITIES in PPM =| 6.00 7.00 8.00 9.00 10.00 11.00 12.00

The % of AAGT to which SI is contributing = | 99.00% 99.00% 99.00% 99.00% 99.00% 99.00% 99.00%

The % of AAGT to which CAD is contributing = | 0.90% 0.90% 0.90% 0.90% 0.90% 0.90% 0.90%

The % of AAGT to which MAF is contributing = | 0.10% 0.10% 0.10% 0.10% 0.10% 0.10% 0.10%

SI TEMP. FACTOR = FsI = %*AAGT/SI = | 0.207758623 0.207888401 0.208018159 0.208147899 0.208277619 0.208407321 0.208340773

CAD TEMP. FACTOR = Fcad = %*AAGT/CAD =| 0.010674834 0.009644395 0.008796458 0.008086483 0.007483333 0.006964586 0.006697193

MAF TEMP. FACTOR = Fmff = %*AAGT/MAF = | 0.047760000 0.040965714 0.035870000 0.031906667 0.028736000 0.026141818 0.023948667

SI's AAGT COMPONENT in °K = Fsi*SI = | 283.69 283.89 284.09 284.29 284.49 284.68 284.51

CAD's AAGT COMPONENT in °K = Fsi*CAD = | 2.58 2.58 2.58 2.58 2.59 2.59 2.59

MAF's AAGT COMPONENT in °K = Fmaf*MAF = | 0.29 0.29 0.29 0.29 0.29 0.29 0.29

SUM OF THESE AAGT COMPONENTS in °K = | 286.56 286.76 286.96 287.16 287.36 287.56 287.38
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