Global Warming...New Report...and it ain't happy news

okie wrote:

Face it, oil is one primary reason for how well we are living. The entire world is enjoying the benefits of oil. Instead of singing its praises, what I see instead are people that want to prosecute the people responsible for their lovely lifestyle.

I think the same thing could have been said about slavery.

Just because society has been thriving due to specific circumstances in the past, it doesn't have to depend on the exact same circumstances in the future in order to continue thriving.

And just because society has been thriving due to specific circumstances in the past, that is no guarantee that society wouldn't be far better off changing those circumstances in the future.

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Sorry.
Here is a nice source about climate change and global warming.
http://climatedebatedaily.com/

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old europe wrote:

okie wrote:
Face it, oil is one primary reason for how well we are living. The entire world is enjoying the benefits of oil. Instead of singing its praises, what I see instead are people that want to prosecute the people responsible for their lovely lifestyle.

I think the same thing could have been said about slavery.

Just because society has been thriving due to specific circumstances in the past, it doesn't have to depend on the exact same circumstances in the future in order to continue thriving.

And just because society has been thriving due to specific circumstances in the past, that is no guarantee that society wouldn't be far better off changing those circumstances in the future.

Good grief, I thought I would never see something that whacked out here! oe compares oil to slavery! Nothing more needs saying. Some people are nuts.

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thomas wrote :

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That's probably what they said the first time someone suggested suing cigarette companies for knowingly lying about cigarettes causing cancer.

i'm sure some of us are old enough to remember when smoking was not only considered "cool" but when the tobacco companies used the medical profession to taut the benefits of smoking .

in the meantime the tabocco companies have had to pay some piddling fines , yet they continue to advertise and heavily promote their "product" - and don't tell me that they print warnings on the packages . it's just as if we would allow the sale of opium with a warning printed on the package .
hbg

http://www.ama-assn.org/ama1/pub/upload/images/31/everydoc_camel.jpg

btw we could also ask the doctors how they fuel their cars and heat their houses - and we could all go back to sleep .
g' night !

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My grandfather told my mother that cigarettes were coffin nails, way back around 1920, so any logical person has known this from Day 1. Smokers have themselves to blame, end of story. Smoking is just stupid, period, unless you have a death wish.

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old europe wrote:

okie wrote:
Face it, oil is one primary reason for how well we are living. The entire world is enjoying the benefits of oil. Instead of singing its praises, what I see instead are people that want to prosecute the people responsible for their lovely lifestyle.

I think the same thing could have been said about slavery.

Just because society has been thriving due to specific circumstances in the past, it doesn't have to depend on the exact same circumstances in the future in order to continue thriving.

And just because society has been thriving due to specific circumstances in the past, that is no guarantee that society wouldn't be far better off changing those circumstances in the future.

Society should change what it is doing only if it makes things better and not worse.
Eliminating slavery made things better. Eliminating CO2 emissions will make things worse. Curtailing CO2 emissions will make things worse. Increasing CO2 emissions will probably make things better by increasing plant growth.

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okie wrote:

Face it, oil is one primary reason for how well we are living. The entire world is enjoying the benefits of oil. Instead of singing its praises, what I see instead are people that want to prosecute the people responsible for their lovely lifestyle.

I'm pretty sure that some sunny day near the end of the stone age, some earlier incarnation of me had the same conversation with some earlier incarnation of me. And your incarnation probably said:

okie's earlier incarnation probably wrote:

Face it, stones are one primary reason for how well we are living. The entire world is enjoying the benefits of stones. Instead of singing its praises, what I see instead are people that want to prosecute the people responsible for their lovely lifestyle

Our ancestors found something better than stones to sustain their lovely lifestyles. And I'm confident we'll find something better than oil to sustain our lovely livestyles. Just as there was no need to glorify stones ten thousand years ago, there is no need to glorify oil today.

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okie wrote:

Good grief, I thought I would never see something that whacked out here! oe compares oil to slavery! Nothing more needs saying. Some people are nuts.

Look who's talking! The gentleman who just compared a climatologist to Adolf Hitler. Thank you for sharing your wisdom about who's nuts and who isn't.

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okie wrote:

old europe wrote:
okie wrote:
Face it, oil is one primary reason for how well we are living. The entire world is enjoying the benefits of oil. Instead of singing its praises, what I see instead are people that want to prosecute the people responsible for their lovely lifestyle.

I think the same thing could have been said about slavery.

Just because society has been thriving due to specific circumstances in the past, it doesn't have to depend on the exact same circumstances in the future in order to continue thriving.

And just because society has been thriving due to specific circumstances in the past, that is no guarantee that society wouldn't be far better off changing those circumstances in the future.

Good grief, I thought I would never see something that whacked out here! oe compares oil to slavery! Nothing more needs saying. Some people are nuts.

You're holding up oil as the basis that society rests on. The same could arguably be said about slavery, industrialisation or the steam engine.

That doesn't mean that I'm equating any of the above.

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You're not really willing to step back and have a rational discussion, right? You've made up your mind: oil is good, the world depends on it, and it should remain that way for at least some decades to come.

Criticizing the oil industry is criticism of your person.

Right?

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Okie
sorry for my intrussion.

You had said this
My grandfather told my mother that cigarettes were coffin nails, way back around 1920, so any logical person has known this from Day 1. Smokers have themselves to blame, end of story.

Why the hell so many brand of cigarets are avilable around our streets?
Hypocracy pure?
or Cultural compassionate culture.
I was/is/will be a DUNHILL SMOKER TILL MY DEATH:

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Thomas wrote:

okie wrote:
Good grief, I thought I would never see something that whacked out here! oe compares oil to slavery! Nothing more needs saying. Some people are nuts.

Look who's talking! The gentleman who just compared a climatologist to Adolf Hitler. Thank you for sharing your wisdom about who's nuts and who isn't.

<grins>

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old europe wrote:

You've made up your mind: oil is good, the world depends on it, and it should remain that way for at least some decades to come.

I didn't yet hear him say: Four legs good, two legs bad. Probably an oversight.

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You're evil, Thomas. Evil.

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Global warming can be reduced with one bread to start before the job.
A sumptuous midday meals and a nice evening food.
Global warming is not caused because of Arab countries or Asian countries or african countries.
Global warming is due to the puny pathetic consume-oriented countries.
Sorry.
Fact hurts.

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picking just one sentence out of ican's post - i know it's not quite fair , just very easy :

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Eliminating slavery made things better.

i don't think everybody agreed upon that from the outset .
it's just good hindsight - btw my hindsight has always been extremely comforting to me .
hbg

for those interested : thread on modern SLAVERY by the BBC

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Thomas wrote:

okie wrote:
Face it, oil is one primary reason for how well we are living. The entire world is enjoying the benefits of oil. Instead of singing its praises, what I see instead are people that want to prosecute the people responsible for their lovely lifestyle.

I'm pretty sure that some sunny day near the end of the stone age, some earlier incarnation of me had the same conversation with some earlier incarnation of me. And your incarnation probably said:

okie's earlier incarnation probably wrote:
Face it, stones are one primary reason for how well we are living. The entire world is enjoying the benefits of stones. Instead of singing its praises, what I see instead are people that want to prosecute the people responsible for their lovely lifestyle

Our ancestors found something better than stones to sustain their lovely lifestyles. And I'm confident we'll find something better than oil to sustain our lovely livestyles. Just as there was no need to glorify stones ten thousand years ago, there is no need to glorify oil today.

No, it would have been a crime for the indiginous peoples to have treasured stones, after all, something better came along, the evil traders had steel arrowheads, and perish the thought, guns. From then on, the chief probably said, okay you guys, do not worship stones anymore, do not glorify stones, do not make arrowheads out of stones, and do not even say that rocks were beneficial. We have been addicted to rocks, plain and simple, and if you even suggest picking up more rocks, you are going to be taken outside the camp and shot.

Those arrowhead makers, flint knappers, they were evil, they told us we could not get by without stones, and they should have been held accountable.

I liked your post, Thomas, and I hope you don't mind my attempt at humor, as I thought your post was somewhat humorous without even attempting it.

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No problem, Okie.

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old europe wrote:

You've made up your mind: oil is good, the world depends on it, and it should remain that way for at least some decades to come.

Criticizing the oil industry is criticism of your person.

Right?

You are correct until you get to the part about oil should remain that way for some decades to come. Oil is good and the world does depend upon it, that is true, and it is reality. I do not however claim that something else better won't come along, but I don't know just how long that will be. It will probably be at least 3 decades, just a guess, and probably longer, it will be a gradational or gradual process most likely, so I am not going to abandon oil completely, and I think people that suggest prosecuting oil companies are just nuts, yes, I do. And I think comparing oil to slavery is pretty far fetched.

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I think slavery was an excellent example. Whole empires were built on it. Marvellous comparison. Excellent.

Apparently, though, I once again have to point out that I wasn't comparing oil to slavery. I was comparing the underlying principle. If you're uncomfortable with it, substitute "steam engine" for "slavery".

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Very bad comparison, oe, admit it.

Okay, steam engines, steam engines were not bad, they were very innovative, and an important step or discovery during the industrial revolution. I think bad mouthing steam engines is no more intelligent than bad mouthing oil. And we were not addicted to them any more than we are oil. We use oil because it is a very good, efficient fuel. We will discover things to replace oil, for the most part, at some point, but to force ourselves off of it before something is proven to replace it is foolhardy.

And prosecuting oil execs makes no more sense than prosecuting steam engine companies for their wonderful contributions to progress.

This discussion becomes more bizarre by the post. Continue to post, oe, I enjoy the posts for humor sake.

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