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Global Warming...New Report...and it ain't happy news

 
 
BernardR
 
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Reply Thu 3 Aug, 2006 01:05 am
I hope you had an umbrella, Mr. Apisa!
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 3 Aug, 2006 12:24 pm
walter

I don't recall this piece...do you?

Quote:
Now the Pentagon tells Bush: climate change will destroy us

· Secret report warns of rioting and nuclear war
· Britain will be 'Siberian' in less than 20 years
· Threat to the world is greater than terrorism

Mark Townsend and Paul Harris in New York
Sunday February 22, 2004
The Observer


Climate change over the next 20 years could result in a global catastrophe costing millions of lives in wars and natural disasters..
A secret report, suppressed by US defence chiefs and obtained by The Observer, warns that major European cities will be sunk beneath rising seas as Britain is plunged into a 'Siberian' climate by 2020. Nuclear conflict, mega-droughts, famine and widespread rioting will erupt across the world.

The document predicts that abrupt climate change could bring the planet to the edge of anarchy as countries develop a nuclear threat to defend and secure dwindling food, water and energy supplies. The threat to global stability vastly eclipses that of terrorism, say the few experts privy to its contents.

'Disruption and conflict will be endemic features of life,' concludes the Pentagon analysis. 'Once again, warfare would define human life.'

The findings will prove humiliating to the Bush administration, which has repeatedly denied that climate change even exists. Experts said that they will also make unsettling reading for a President who has insisted national defence is a priority.

The report was commissioned by influential Pentagon defence adviser Andrew Marshall, who has held considerable sway on US military thinking over the past three decades. He was the man behind a sweeping recent review aimed at transforming the American military under Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld.

Climate change 'should be elevated beyond a scientific debate to a US national security concern', say the authors, Peter Schwartz, CIA consultant and former head of planning at Royal Dutch/Shell Group, and Doug Randall of the California-based Global Business Network.


full article
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 3 Aug, 2006 07:34 pm
Oh my goodness... somehow arriving at the right place via the wrong bus

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Heat converts Bush ally Robertson on global warming
Thu Aug 3, 2006 6:58pm ET

By Timothy Gardner

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Conservative Christian broadcaster Pat Robertson said on Thursday the wave of scorching temperatures across the United States had converted him into a believer in global warming.

The view put him at odds with fellow Republican President George W. Bush, who has benefited politically from Robertson's backing and who has refused to embrace the concept of human-caused global warming.

"We really need to address the burning of fossil fuels," Robertson said on his "700 Club" broadcast. "It is getting hotter, and the icecaps are melting and there is a buildup of carbon dioxide in the air."

It was an abrupt about-face for Robertson who reaches about one million U.S. viewers daily and is credited for helping shape political views of evangelical Christians, a vibrant force behind the Republican Party.

Last October, Robertson said the National Association of Evangelicals was teaming up with "far left environmentalists" for saying global warming was caused by humans and needed to be mitigated.

Also last year, Robertson, 76, said natural disasters affecting the globe, including hurricanes Katrina and Rita that wrecked the U.S. Gulf Coast, might be signs that the biblical apocalypse was nearing.

Temperatures have soared to near record levels in some eastern regions and Robertson said that was "the most convincing evidence I've seen on global warming in a long time."
from Reuters
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hamburger
 
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Reply Thu 3 Aug, 2006 07:51 pm
perhaps pat robertson will pray so that president bush will "see the light " Shocked - stranger things have happened .
still , i'm glad pat robertson "is seeing the light " Very Happy .
perhaps he is afraid of "hell on earth" ?
hbg
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 3 Aug, 2006 10:09 pm
Amazing twist, isn't it? The fellow is convinced not by the science but by the anecdotal. I suppose that really ought not to surprise.

He might even pray that george will have a change of mind, as you suggest. That would be a fine test of the efficacy of prayer.
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BernardR
 
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Reply Thu 3 Aug, 2006 10:21 pm
Here is what the Mounted Policeman wrote:

The document predicts that abrupt climate change could bring the planet to the edge of anarchy as countries develop a nuclear threat to defend and secure dwindling food, water and energy supplies. The threat to global stability vastly eclipses that of terrorism, say the few experts privy to its contents.


He may be correct. The threat of the Islamo-fascist murderers is far far greater than any one or two degree warming which MAY affect us by the year 2100. It is almost certain that the countries of the world will develop technological alternatives by then which will easily handle any slight warming. But, stopping maniacs like the Iranian President or the mentally unbalanced Mullahs who rival those who believe in the Rapture with their insistence that an Apocalypse will precede the coming of the Twelfth Imam before the uniting of the whole world under Allah in the restored Caliphate.

I don't think the Mounted Policeman knows about the 12th Imam. The basic curriculum of Vancouver where he attended school was, I am told, cocaine and chicks.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Fri 4 Aug, 2006 06:40 am
Bernie

I do recall reading that article...only horrified it was Feb 2004...seemed to be much more recent.

The problems associated with our profligate burning of fossil fuels are four fold imo

1. The West and in particular the USA has become addicted to oil and gas, as the President of the United States has admitted. This is at a time when geological constraints are bringing about the long anticipated peak in global supply, and exacerbated by the rapidly increasing demand for energy, notably from China and India.
2. To secure vital fossil fuel resources, Western military deployment overseas is leading to regional conflicts in Afghanistan, Iraq....Iran?
3. Meddling in the middle east over many years, first by Britain and France, more recently by the United States and Britain, has caused a reaction in the form of a resurgance of Islamic fundamentalism and terrorism.
4. The relatively sudden release of carbon which had been trapped in the earth for millions of years, in the form of carbon dioxide liberated into the atmosphere is causing a change in the earth's climate, the consequences of which we are only now beginning to appreciate, but about which we can do little.

In summary

Addiction
War
Terrorism
Climate change.


Meanwhile


Quote:
World must race to develop green energy urges Rees


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Research drive 'must rival Apollo moon project'. Royal Society presidnet warns of climate disaster.

An urgent project on the scale of the Apollo moon landings is needed to boost resarch into green energy sources and save the planet from environmental disaster, according to Britain's top scientist. Writing in the US journal Science today, Sir Martin Rees, president of Britain's most prestigious scientific institute, the Royal Society, expresses dismmay at GA leader's "worrisome lack of determiantion" to accelerate development of new energy resources, given the expected 50% rise in the world's energy needs - and carbon dioxide emissions - in the next 25 years...


From today's Guardian. Cant find the appropriate link for some bizarre reason. Hence had to TYPE IT hope you are all fully appreciative.
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hamburger
 
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Reply Fri 4 Aug, 2006 02:11 pm
not to worry !
pat robertson will have a prayer meeting with president bush and both will appeal to god "to please help us out" .
the appeal coming from god's two personal friends , he'll gladly oblige and we can all continue to pollute the world .
...any other problems ? just ask pat robertson to take care of it ; he'll never fail you .
hbg
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blatham
 
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Reply Sat 5 Aug, 2006 05:16 pm
steve et al

We need to correct an error made by the Guardian in the piece I posted above. The Pentagon report on global warming consequences was not a report BY the Pentagon, but rather a report TO the Pentagon. Thanks to Eric Alterman for the correction.
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spendius
 
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Reply Sat 5 Aug, 2006 05:31 pm
You mean that everything is okay then. Nothing to worry about .The beer won't run out or anything.
It was only a fantasy. A bogeyman.

I never did believe in bogeymen.
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blatham
 
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Reply Sat 5 Aug, 2006 05:45 pm
For those of you who haven't bumped into this story yet...

A parody belittling Al Gore's film on global warming recently arrived on YouTube. It fit the mold of offerings there...amateurish looking as if done by some young fella on his Mac. But as the WSJ revealed a couple of days ago, it wasn't really what it appeared. It was actually produced by DCI Group, a Republican lobby and PR firm whose clients include Exxon.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06215/710851-115.stm
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SierraSong
 
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Reply Sat 5 Aug, 2006 05:52 pm
spendius wrote:
You mean that everything is okay then. Nothing to worry about .The beer won't run out or anything.
It was only a fantasy. A bogeyman.

I never did believe in bogeymen.


I don't understand how you can be so glib about this. You do know that 2 billion people died in the New Orleans flooding, right?



Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go put some sunscreen on my bogeyman.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sat 5 Aug, 2006 06:06 pm
If fossil fuels emissions are responsible for global warming, I suppose if we position a black helicopter over every business that Exxon does business with or has a contractual relation with, we should be able to finish off destruction of the planet in oh what, three, four days? Exxon disavowed anything to do with the video, but that doesn't stop the media from feeding the suggestion to all the gullible folks out there who will swallow it and pass it on. And their number is legion.

Pssst....I heard the President of Exxon bought an ice cream cone at Ben & Jerry's yesterday. That is no doubt also a subversive organization.

I haven't found anything in any WSJ link that backs up the "Raw Story" account.

The actor playing George Bush at the Jeff Foxworthy roast is hilarious on the YouTube site though.
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okie
 
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Reply Sat 5 Aug, 2006 08:50 pm
By the way, where are all the hurricanes this year? I know theres time yet, but they better get started soon, ya know, with the water in the Caribbean getting hotter and hotter.
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SierraSong
 
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Reply Sat 5 Aug, 2006 09:39 pm
okie wrote:
By the way, where are all the hurricanes this year? I know theres time yet, but they better get started soon, ya know, with the water in the Caribbean getting hotter and hotter.


Global Cooling Alert - Hurricane Season To Be Ordinary


"DAMNIT!"
-the collected cry of Big Media
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BernardR
 
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Reply Sat 5 Aug, 2006 11:12 pm
Steve 4100- One of the best books written on the enviroment was written by Dr. Bjorn Lomborg( I am certain that the learned and erudite Mr. Blatham has not read that book- He limits his references to left wing New Yorkers and drug addicted Canadians)

Dr. Lomborg's book- The Skeptical Envrionmentalist--punctures most of the Global Warming hysterics' balloons concerning global warming.

One of the most telling of Dr.Lomborg's points( I really must add at this point that Dr. Lomborg admits that there is a very slight warming that has occurred and that this very slight warming has occurred many times in human history) is that the COMPUTER MODELS which predict the alleged future warming must be fed assumptions which will, of course, control the outcome of the predictions.

Dr. Lomborg points out that assumptions about Population growth and technological innovations must result in a variety of outcomes or scenarios.

He concludes---We should not spend vast amounts of money to CUT A TINY SLICE OF THE GLOBAL TEMPERATURE INCREASE when this constitutes a poor sue of resources and when we could probably use these funds FAR MORE EFFECTIVELY in the developing world...we need to invest much more in the development of solar power, fusion and other likely sources of the future.


end of quote


Frantic full scale reductions in co2 emissions may not do a great deal of good given the fact that even the European countries which set goals in 1990 IN THE KYOTO PROTOCOL, to be met by 2012 ARE FAR BEHIND THEIR TARGETS.


There is no agreement that the world will be flooded by 2050 and that the Canadian tundra will turn into deserts. Those fantasies are the product of the man who "invented"( he claimed) the INTERNET- Al Gore!!!
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 6 Aug, 2006 01:36 am
okie wrote:
Thomas wrote:
Walter Hinteler wrote:
So California signed a pact with the UK to fight global warming now.

The Guardian: Blair signs climate pact with Schwarzenegger

I wonder if this is constitutional? Article 1, Section 10 provides that "[n]o state shall enter into any treaty, alliance, or confederation;"


Good point, Thomas. I wondered why Schwarzenegger was doing business directly with England? Does he now have some grandiose dream of pretending he is president of the country or something? I think he should mind his own business, which is running the state of California, instead of entering into pacts, treaties, whatever, with other nations.


Some details have been published about this pact:

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Details of environmental deal hammered out between Tony Blair and Arnold Schwarzenegger

· Britain agrees to collect California's rubbish every other Thursday.

· California must separate its rubbish into paper for recycling, glass and plastic bottles and organic matter (including oranges and offcuts from cosmetic surgery).

· Britain will supply California with three 1,200ft wheelie bins, into which California will put its rubbish.

· Britain will not collect any rubbish or biodegradable faces California places outside these wheelie bins.

· California will invite the British leader to Hollywood. To discuss the rubbish.
:wink:
source: today's The Observer: When Tony met Arnie, they certainly talked rubbish
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BernardR
 
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Reply Sun 6 Aug, 2006 01:42 am
I should add, Steve 4100, if you are interested, on the other thread with Global Warming as a theme, I utterly destroyed the arguments of one Mr. Parados, who fancied himself as an environmental expert. But, with that in mind, review the following:

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Steve 4100- One of the best books written on the enviroment was written by Dr. Bjorn Lomborg( I am certain that the learned and erudite Mr. Blatham has not read that book- He limits his references to left wing New Yorkers and drug addicted Canadians)

Dr. Lomborg's book- The Skeptical Envrionmentalist--punctures most of the Global Warming hysterics' balloons concerning global warming.

One of the most telling of Dr.Lomborg's points( I really must add at this point that Dr. Lomborg admits that there is a very slight warming that has occurred and that this very slight warming has occurred many times in human history) is that the COMPUTER MODELS which predict the alleged future warming must be fed assumptions which will, of course, control the outcome of the predictions.

Dr. Lomborg points out that assumptions about Population growth and technological innovations must result in a variety of outcomes or scenarios.

He concludes---We should not spend vast amounts of money to CUT A TINY SLICE OF THE GLOBAL TEMPERATURE INCREASE when this constitutes a poor sue of resources and when we could probably use these funds FAR MORE EFFECTIVELY in the developing world...we need to invest much more in the development of solar power, fusion and other likely sources of the future.


end of quote


Frantic full scale reductions in co2 emissions may not do a great deal of good given the fact that even the European countries which set goals in 1990 IN THE KYOTO PROTOCOL, to be met by 2012 ARE FAR BEHIND THEIR TARGETS.


There is no agreement that the world will be flooded by 2050 and that the Canadian tundra will turn into deserts. Those fantasies are the product of the man who "invented"( he claimed) the INTERNET- Al Gore!!!
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Sun 6 Aug, 2006 10:32 am
BernardR wrote:
Steve 4100- One of the best books written on the enviroment was written by Dr. Bjorn Lomborg( I am certain that the learned and erudite Mr. Blatham has not read that book- He limits his references to left wing New Yorkers and drug addicted Canadians)
You BernardR you are quite funny sometimes. Obnoxious mostly, but occasionally funny.
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blatham
 
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Reply Sun 6 Aug, 2006 06:21 pm
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Scientists: Warming Triggers 'Dead Zone'


By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published: August 6, 2006
Filed at 6:55 p.m. ET

GRANTS PASS, Ore. (AP) -- Bottom fish and crabs washing up dead on Oregon beaches are being killed by a recurring ''dead zone'' of low-oxygen water that is larger than in previous years and may be triggered by global warming, scientists said.

There are signs it is spreading north to Washington's Olympic Peninsula.

Scientists studying the 70-mile-long zone of oxygen-depleted water, along the Continental Shelf between Florence and Lincoln City, conclude that it is being caused by explosive blooms of tiny plants known as phytoplankton, which die and sink to the bottom, then are eaten by bacteria which use up the oxygen in the water.

The recurring phytoplankton blooms are triggered by northerly wind, which generates a process known as upwelling in which nutrient-rich water is brought to the surface from lower depths.

''We are seeing wild swings from year to year in the timing and duration of the winds that are favorable for upwelling,'' Jane Lubchenco, professor of marine ecology at Oregon State and a member of the Pew Oceans Commission, said from Corvallis. ''This increased variability in the winds is consistent with what we would expect under climate change.''

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/us/AP-Dead-Zone.html
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