Global Warming...New Report...and it ain't happy news

Of course Sourcewatch is a diviision of the Center for Media and Democracy whose funding, board of directors, and staff reads likes a Who's Who of the radical Left. Surely you can find a less biased source with which to show unacceptable bias?

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Well, does the fellow match the description? Is he in the pay of Exxon and the tobacco companies? Simple stuff.

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blatham wrote:

Well, does the fellow match the description? Is he in the pay of Exxon and the tobacco companies? Simple stuff.

I don't know. Do you? I don't trust Sourcewatch to do an honest smear of anybody on the Right and they ONLY smear those on the Right.

Here's a more honest, I think, bio of Steven J. Milloy:

Biography
Steven J. Milloy is the publisher of JunkScience.com, an adjunct scholar at the Competitive Enterprise Institute, the Cato Institute, and a columnist for FoxNews.com and the New York Sun. Milloy was also a member of the judging panel for the 2004 American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS) Journalism Awards: Online Category.

Mr. Milloy has appeared on local, national and international television and radio including: ABC's World News Tonight and Good Morning America; CNN's Crossfire and Talk Back Live; CNNfn; CNN International's Insight; MSNBC's News with Brian Williams; Fox News Channel's Fox Report, Fox and Friends, The O'Reilly Factor, and Special Report with Brit Hume; National Public Radio's Talk of the Nation and the G. Gordon Liddy Show.

Mr. Milloy holds a B.A. in Natural Sciences from the Johns Hopkins University, a Master of Health Sciences in Biostatistics from the Johns Hopkins University School of Hygiene and Public Health, a Juris Doctorate from the University of Baltimore, and a Master of Laws from the Georgetown University Law Center. He has testified on risk assessment and Superfund before the U.S. Congress; and has lectured before numerous organizations.
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http://www.cei.org/dyn/view_Expert.cfm?Expert=71

I don't see any unusual association with the Tobacco or Oil industries there. Do you?

I do know that Junk Science is his hobby and he claims no particular expertise on any field other than the ones in which he has trained. But he ferrets out expert opinion from scientists that he does trust to have the expertise.

I do know that he challenged a lot of the EPA research on tobacco back during the tobacco wars and that may have people erroneously thinking he was working for big Tobacco, but I've found no evidence that was the case. No doubt the oil companies do quote Milloy a lot in their own rebuttals to claims from the environmental wackos, but that does not necessarily extrapolate to him being in bed with them.

And he may be. I honestly don't know. I don't however, see how any of that in that in any way changes the facts stated in the article which, so far, nobody has challenged. They try to debate by attacking the messenger, yes, but that still doesn't change any facts, does it?

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Half of global car exhaust produced by US vehicles
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· Hummers and SUVs blamed for high emissions
· Average US car does less than 20mpg, says study [/b]

Julian Borger in Washington
Thursday June 29, 2006
The Guardian

Americans represent 5% of the world's population but drive almost a third of its cars, which in turn account for nearly half the carbon dioxide pumped out of exhaust pipes into the atmosphere each year, according to a report.Americans drive 202m passenger vehicles out of 683m worldwide. The average US passenger vehicle, with a fuel economy of less than 20mpg, travels 11,000 miles a year, nearly a third more than cars elsewhere, according to Wednesday's report, Global Warming on the Road.

With suburban sprawl far outpacing the growth of public transport networks, Americans are commuting more each year, shopping more, and driving further to the shops each time. Between 1990 and 2001 the number of miles travelled on American shopping trips rose by 40%.

The boom in sports utility vehicles (SUVs) has peaked as a result of soaring fuel prices, but overall US fuel consumption will continue to rise in the next few years, the study found.

The huge Hummers, Chevrolet Suburbans and Ford Excursions bought in recent years will represent a bigger share of the cars on the road, as older, smaller cars end up on the scrapheap.

More SUVs are sold in the US than any other type of car, overtaking small cars in 2002. The report predicted that they "soon will be the main source of automotive CO2 emissions", emitting the equivalent of 55 large coal-fired power plants.

"The fuel economy of US vehicles has been declining since 1988, which means the CO2 emissions have been increasing, associated with a shift to large trucks," said John DeCicco, one of the report's authors.

While cars account for a tenth of greenhouse gas emissions around the world, American cars are responsible for 20% of US energy-related emissions. The Environmental Defence report found: "The amount of CO2 emitted from oil used for transportation in the United States is similar to the amount from coal used to generate electricity." General Motors, the biggest US car manufacturer, is responsible for nearly a third of those emissions, more than the biggest US power company, American Electric Power. GM and other car companies did not comment directly on the report, but noted that they were seeking to improve the energy efficiency and reduce the emissions of their fleets.

Source

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Mr. Walter Hinteler takes the USA to task because it produces pollution from its automobile exhausts.

There are three reasons why Mr., Walter Hinteler is not quite accurate in his depiction of the USA,( which he knows almost nothing about since he does not live there,) and I will outline them for you.

First of all, Mr. Walter Hinteler's Germany will soon become one of the highest polluters in Europe-

New York Times-- Juen 20, 2006---P. l-Title of Article-

For Europe, a Green Self-Image Clashes with a Reliance on Coal

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But the new plant, which will be just a demonstration model, pales next to the EIGHT COAL FIRED POWER STATIONS GERMANY PLANS TO BUILD FOR COMMERCIAL USE BETWEEN FROM NOW TO 2001---NONE OF THEM CARBON-FREE.

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I respectfully ask Mr. Walter Hinteler to mind his own business. In this case, his own business is taking care of the country he lives in FIRST and then when his country meets the standards he apparently wants, turn his attention to the USA.

Second, Mr. Walter Hinteler is most probably not aware that some of the countries in Europe are Hypocrites on the alleged CO2 problem.

As signatories to the KYOTO PROTOCOL, they P R O M I S E D to lower their emissions. As of this time the following is the shameful record of some of the countries in the EU---

International Energy Association estimates of the INCREASES since 1990. The European countries will miss their 2008-2012 targets since they have not cut back but have increased emissions of CO2-

Who are the villains?

Increase- France-6.9% Italy -8.3% Greece--28.2 % Ireland 40.3%

The Netherlands-13.2% Portugal- 59% Spain--46,9 %

SOURCE FOR ABOVE--- Robert Samuelson- Greenhouse Hypocrisy--Wednesday Juen 29, 2005- Washington Post--Page A21

Since Mr, Walter Hinteler lives in the EU, I respectfully suggest that he work to get those countries to meet the goals they had ENDORSED WITH THEIR MEMBERSHIP IN THE KYOTO PROTOCOL IN 1990.

and finally, I don't know if Mr. Walter Hinteler realizes that he is really pressing for the death of more people in automobile accidents.

According to Mr. Steve Chapman, Syndicated columnist for the Chicago Tribune in an article on July 26, 2001 says that a 1989 study by Robert Crandall of the Brookings Institute and John Graham of Harvard, "Existing fuel economy standards, which militated against heavier and larger automobiles and pressed for smaller vehicles caused an extra 3,900 fatalities for that year.

Mr, Chapman writes:

Maybe it might be worthwhile to sacrifice some livers today to avoid climate change later. But we could do all this and NOT MAKE ANY APPRECIABLE CONTRIBUTION TO PREVENTING GLOBAL WARMING. Though for anyone lying in a grave, the world wil certainly seem colder."

I am quite certain that Mr. Walter Hinteler will not directly rebut those points above. He may present another periopheral account but will not rebut the points above.

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I'm taking nothing but quoting a newspaper report which itself quotes from the named report. (As do about 78 newspapers online so far until now.)

http://media3.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/graphic/2006/06/28/GR2006062800154.gif

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Mr.Walter Hinteler seems to be fond of what might be called a hit and run tactic or better still, a hit and refuse to answer tactic.

I rebutted him and his source completely. He does not answer my arguments.I can only conclude that his argument is defeated---

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Mr. Walter Hinteler takes the USA to task because it produces pollution from its automobile exhausts.

There are three reasons why Mr., Walter Hinteler is not quite accurate in his depiction of the USA,( which he knows almost nothing about since he does not live there,) and I will outline them for you.

First of all, Mr. Walter Hinteler's Germany will soon become one of the highest polluters in Europe-

New York Times-- Juen 20, 2006---P. l-Title of Article-

For Europe, a Green Self-Image Clashes with a Reliance on Coal

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But the new plant, which will be just a demonstration model, pales next to the EIGHT COAL FIRED POWER STATIONS GERMANY PLANS TO BUILD FOR COMMERCIAL USE BETWEEN FROM NOW TO 2001---NONE OF THEM CARBON-FREE.

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I respectfully ask Mr. Walter Hinteler to mind his own business. In this case, his own business is taking care of the country he lives in FIRST and then when his country meets the standards he apparently wants, turn his attention to the USA.

Second, Mr. Walter Hinteler is most probably not aware that some of the countries in Europe are Hypocrites on the alleged CO2 problem.

As signatories to the KYOTO PROTOCOL, they P R O M I S E D to lower their emissions. As of this time the following is the shameful record of some of the countries in the EU---

International Energy Association estimates of the INCREASES since 1990. The European countries will miss their 2008-2012 targets since they have not cut back but have increased emissions of CO2-

Who are the villains?

Increase- France-6.9% Italy -8.3% Greece--28.2 % Ireland 40.3%

The Netherlands-13.2% Portugal- 59% Spain--46,9 %

SOURCE FOR ABOVE--- Robert Samuelson- Greenhouse Hypocrisy--Wednesday Juen 29, 2005- Washington Post--Page A21

Since Mr, Walter Hinteler lives in the EU, I respectfully suggest that he work to get those countries to meet the goals they had ENDORSED WITH THEIR MEMBERSHIP IN THE KYOTO PROTOCOL IN 1990.

and finally, I don't know if Mr. Walter Hinteler realizes that he is really pressing for the death of more people in automobile accidents.

According to Mr. Steve Chapman, Syndicated columnist for the Chicago Tribune in an article on July 26, 2001 says that a 1989 study by Robert Crandall of the Brookings Institute and John Graham of Harvard, "Existing fuel economy standards, which militated against heavier and larger automobiles and pressed for smaller vehicles caused an extra 3,900 fatalities for that year.

Mr, Chapman writes:

Maybe it might be worthwhile to sacrifice some livers today to avoid climate change later. But we could do all this and NOT MAKE ANY APPRECIABLE CONTRIBUTION TO PREVENTING GLOBAL WARMING. Though for anyone lying in a grave, the world wil certainly seem colder."

I am quite certain that Mr. Walter Hinteler will not directly rebut those points above. He may present another periopheral account but will not rebut the points above.

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Obviously your reading capacies are becoming worse.

I am quoting from printed sources:

Guardian (June 29, 2006 page 5; online source quoted above):

The Washington Post, June 28, 2006, page D01; source shown in property of pic):

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So am I and I rebutted your PRINTED SOURCES AND THE INFORMATION IN THEM OR DIDN'T YOU READ MY POST.

READ MY POST AND THEN TELL ME THAT YOUR PRINTED SOURCES MEAN ANYTHING IN THE LIGHT OF MY INFORMATION!!!

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Walt hates us because we are successful. It's a common rant among euro-socialists.

It was 90 degrees in my server room this AM. I blame global warming.

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cjhsa wrote:

Walt hates us because we are successful. It's a common rant among euro-socialists.

Up to a certain point it's fun.

But since you are becomiong personal now, cjhsa, either prove where I'd shown any sign of hate towards the USA or I'll report that.

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Go ahead and report it. It doesn't violate the TOS, it's just an observation based on the stuff you've been posting. I'm hardly the first one to call you on it.

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cjhsa wrote:

Go ahead and report it. It doesn't violate the TOS, it's just an observation based on the stuff you've been posting. I'm hardly the first one to call you on it.

Prove it, I said.

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cjhsa wrote:

it's just an observation based on the stuff you've been posting.

Oh, you mean the photos from Chicago and New Mexico/Colorado.

Yes, two of them got a price in Old Europe Laughing

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A simple search of A2K will produce endless rants by Walt concerning the USA and how awful we are. Now he targets GM and Ford, and surprisingly, Daimler Chrysler.

Of course GM produces most of the greenhouse gases emitted by automobiles. Not only are they the largest car company in the world simply based on their traditional offerings, but now they also own Saab, Holden, Opel, and Vauxhall.

Ford owns Mazda, Volvo, Jaguar, Land Rover, and Aston Martin.

Daimler owns Chrysler, not the other way around. Here's a page showing how large they truly are:

http://www.daimlerchrysler.com/dccom/0-5-7163-1-74014-1-0-0-0-0-0-8-7163-0-0-0-0-0-0-0.html

Do I think cars and trucks should be more efficient? Absolutely.

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cjhsa wrote:

Now he targets GM and Ford, and surprisingly, Daimler Chrysler.

I know about the shooting ambitions of the poster quoted above. And I'm well aware of the fact that messengers likely get shot.

But since this was published at first in the USA (and worldwide at least 214 times), since the original source is from the USA ... well, this gives some addtional info about ...

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cjhsa wrote:

A simple search of A2K will produce endless rants by Walt concerning the USA and how awful we are. Now he targets GM and Ford, and surprisingly, Daimler Chrysler.

Of course GM produces most of the greenhouse gases emitted by automobiles. Not only are they the largest car company in the world simply based on their traditional offerings, but now they also own Saab, Holden, Opel, and Vauxhall.

Ford owns Mazda, Volvo, Jaguar, Land Rover, and Aston Martin.

Daimler owns Chrysler, not the other way around. Here's a page showing how large they truly are:

http://www.daimlerchrysler.com/dccom/0-5-7163-1-74014-1-0-0-0-0-0-8-7163-0-0-0-0-0-0-0.html

Do I think cars and trucks should be more efficient? Absolutely.

It is a fact, from my observation, that Walter enjoys trying to make America and at least some American A2K members look bad or foolish or behind the times and will frequently use some cut and paste he found to do that. I can't recall many, if any, of his posts that were complimentary about America or those A2K members. But that's his prerogative.

I would not describe his posts as rants though. It's just something he does. Everybody needs a hobby.

Agreed, however, that there are lies, damn lies, and statistics, and the statistics can be accurate but used a way that produces a pretty good erroneous impression.

The fact is that auto makers make cars that people want to buy and drive, or they go out of business. It is as simple as that. When auto makers tried to scale down to mostly compact, fuel efficient cars, it opened a floodgate of bigger, more comfortable foreign makes pouring into the country. So American automakers went the other direction and again opened the door for fuel efficient foreign models. I don't doubt that American auto makers have missed the mark more than once and they have suffered for it, but they still make an awful lot of cars and that speaks well of our economy, work ethic, and productivity.

But do we need more fuel efficient cars? Sure. I drive one. And I also know that a big car that carries more people is sometimes more fuel efficient that two little cars necessary to carry the same amount of people.

There are all sorts of factors that must be considered to get an accurate picture of the real situation.

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The press release is now one week online.
I wouldn't have reported about it, but since it's in the European media today (had been in the US already before) ...

Of course, it's focused on the USA, since:

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As an organization based in the United States, we pay special attention to U.S. environmental problems and to America's role in causing and solving global problems, and we aim to share our approaches internationally.

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Foxfyre wrote:

It is a fact, from my observation, that Walter enjoys trying to make America and at least some American A2K members look bad or foolish or behind the times and will frequently use some cut and paste he found to do that. I can't recall many, if any, of his posts that were complimentary about America or those A2K members. But that's his prerogative.

I would not describe his posts as rants though. It's just something he does. Everybody needs a hobby.

If you hadn't decided not to meet me personally, you could have had some more - or less - reasons to say such.

But I'm quite sure, you can live your online judgements - as I can do so as well.

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