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THE MEANING OF OZ - All you need to know!

 
 
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Sun 28 May, 2023 06:26 am
No more interested in you than you are in me. I am interested in the dismal sources of your articles. I have a dislike of people passing dangerous and deadly information from sites that are provably false; in the case one of your cites, a RW satire site. I don't care about politics. I do care about facts.

I think you're trying to get this thread closed.
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hingehead
 
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Reply Mon 29 May, 2023 02:56 pm
My fellow Australians, will you #voteyes23?

For everyone else voice.gov.au
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Mon 29 May, 2023 09:51 pm
@hingehead,
That is truly a great idea. Does there seem to be any real opposition to it?
hingehead
 
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Reply Tue 30 May, 2023 12:54 am
@bobsal u1553115,
Oh yeah, Murdoch-backed media outlets are decrying. The Liberal and the National Parties officially oppose it and there is a massive disinformation campaign against it - with a bunch of outrageous claims which have the sole aim of creating confusion and doubt (because that's all you need to get a referendum squashed) "if in doubt vote no" is the colloquial wisdom. Even some indigenous folk oppose it (with various arguments that don't agree with each other - but that doesn't stop it from achieving confusion).

Early polls suggested the nation was broadly in favour but gap is closing.

Need the yes campaign to kick it up a level. These two videos on twitter are a start:

https://twitter.com/SarkySage/status/1663158888261361665?s=20
https://twitter.com/JulianHillMP/status/1661632261652086785
hingehead
 
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Reply Tue 30 May, 2023 12:58 am
@hingehead,
It's not just Murdoch backed media - the Costello chaired Nine/Fairfax and the Stokes owned Seven-Westralian are all in on the deal. Our best hope is the millennials (better educated, less religious) and the fact that our casual racists are slowly dying out. It's going to be as ugly as the marriage equality plebiscite, if not worse.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Tue 30 May, 2023 05:54 am
@hingehead,
I wish our casual racists were dying out. I really thought they were, that my generation would mark the death knell. I was horribly wrong.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Tue 30 May, 2023 05:58 am

I really appreciate those two links. When I was younger, I paid close attention to Australia and in the 60s my father almost took a job in Australia.

I finally lost the connection after the Viet Nam war about the time SEATO broke up. It's good to look again.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 30 May, 2023 06:18 am
@hingehead,
Recent polling has shown millenials are not becoming more right wing when they get older, mostly down to the lack of affordable housing and stable employment.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Tue 30 May, 2023 06:21 am
@izzythepush,
I've seen older Republicans get a little socialist over those same issues here in Texas, not enough, but still a significant number.
BillW
 
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Reply Tue 30 May, 2023 09:26 am
@bobsal u1553115,
Don't forget those older Republicans were brought up under the tutelage of Sam Rayburn and LBJ. They both lived within 5 miles of each other in Texas. My father's family was from this area and he got his life long job due to LBJ. You do not get more Socialist that these two men and they brought Ameica out of a republican created depreciation and a very nasty war! Plus, Carl Albert came after them and grew up 150 miles north of them. Then when Texas and Oklahoma got wealthy, they turn their backs on their government positions.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Tue 30 May, 2023 11:13 am
Just ran across this:

Rippling Trumpism

https://i.gyazo.com/1948f7ce1a58945768244ea37653d752.png

The view from Australia

https://thebaffler.com/latest/rippling-trumpism-hawking

https://thebaffler.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/Hawking.jpg

THE MOST PROFOUND LEGACY of Donald Trump’s presidency may well be the fact that, both in the United States and outside it, his success has emboldened a rogue’s gallery of people who absolutely did not need emboldening: far-right demagogues, aspiring fascists, and faux-populist rabble-rousers. Even if Trump himself is a busted flush—which is by no means certain—his style of politics lives on in the United States in the rhetoric of Marjorie Taylor Greene et al., and in the hilarious pathological mendacity of now-indicted Congress member George Santos. Around the world, too, Trump-like figures have grasped for power: the 2018 election of Jair Bolsonaro in Brazil is one example, right down to January’s ransacking of government buildings in Brasilia after Bolsonaro failed to win re-election.

As someone who was born and raised in Australia—I currently live in Melbourne—and who spent nearly a decade living in the United States, it’s been fascinating to watch Australian conservatives’ attempts to adopt Trumpist tactics. We even have a genuine homegrown aspiring Trump in the form of Clive Palmer, a bloviating mining baron who spent some $120 million during the federal election campaign last year on advertising for his populist United Australia Party, plastering its slogan “Make Australia Great”—lolsigh—on billboards around the country. During the same campaign, incumbent prime minister Scott Morrison grabbed onto the Trump playbook as he sought to retain power, taking an increasingly autocratic hold over the workings of both his own Liberal Party and the Coalition it has formed for decades with the rural-focused National Party.



As a quick aside: it’s said that Trump was so famously rude to then-Liberal Party leader and prime minister Malcolm Turnbull during their first phone call in 2017 because he saw the word liberal and reacted exactly as one might expect. But the liberal in “Liberal Party” refers to economic liberalism, not social liberalism—in Australia, the Liberals are the conservatives, a fact that rarely fails to confuse Americans who find themselves studying our political landscape.

Anyway, as the election approached last May, Morrison announced that he was making a “captain’s pick”—selecting several candidates himself rather than letting them emerge from the state party apparatus. One of Morrison’s hand-picked candidates proved particularly controversial: Katherine Deves, a political neophyte from Sydney notable only for her frequently expressed and deeply unpleasant views on transgender people. When footage emerged of Deves likening her efforts to prevent trans women from participating in women’s sports to being in the French resistance during World War II, a media shitstorm ensued: Deves apologized-but-not-really, Morrison made it clear he agreed with her views against trans participation in sports, and those who supported Deves traded arguments and insults on social media with those who found her views obnoxious.

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hingehead
 
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Reply Wed 31 May, 2023 01:29 am
@bobsal u1553115,
Good article!
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Wed 31 May, 2023 06:21 am
@hingehead,
Thanks, it's one of those that made Australian politics clearer for me. Don't find too many of those here in the US.
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hingehead
 
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Reply Wed 31 May, 2023 06:38 am
https://i.pinimg.com/564x/c0/b5/56/c0b556aaf001fc7a1fda7bcb4be80f16.jpg
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Wed 31 May, 2023 09:02 am
@hingehead,
Is this an expat GOPer??
hingehead
 
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Reply Wed 31 May, 2023 10:33 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
Ex Queensland cop - not quite sure which is worse - there have been some decent GOPers and Queensland cops. Dutton is not one of them.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Thu 1 Jun, 2023 06:32 am
@hingehead,
Most cops who get elected here have been major disasters.
hingehead
 
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Reply Thu 1 Jun, 2023 06:56 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
A former Queensland cop led the ALP in opposition for a little bit, before being replaced by Bob Hawke, and ended up becoming governor general, reputation largely unsullied; Bill Hayden.
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hingehead
 
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Reply Sun 4 Jun, 2023 07:57 pm
I think we should push the US out of AUKUS and the Quad and instead invite South Africa, India and Indonesia in - just based on this Wink
https://cdn.statcdn.com/Infographic/images/normal/9261.jpeg
roger
 
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Reply Sun 4 Jun, 2023 07:59 pm
@hingehead,
Or you could just decide to drive on the right side of the road. That's why they call it "right", you know.
 

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