Clean and Unclean Meats

Reply Mon 16 Oct, 2017 08:53 am
mmmm sounds like some good meals

when I was a weeBeth, we had friends who had Sable Island connections (from the fog of time, I think it had to do with sealing) and they had early photos of the horses
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Reply Mon 16 Oct, 2017 09:08 am

Look at the picture above.

According to Chai2, it is very "easy" to separate fat from meat.

Now, lets go to cooking that piece. Cut a slide, "separate: the fat from flesh, and put the slide of pork in a fry pan.

Turn the fire On and look at the meat. It will release "oily grease" like crazy.

This is because you CAN'T SEE the fat mixed with the flesh.

All the other pictures shown in messages above, you can see the fat and the flesh together, hard to separate but you distinguish each one of them and you can separate them at one point.

But what you can't do, is separating the fat that is already mixed with the flesh at one point that looks like one.

What part of the cow has lots of fat "almost" mixed internally in flesh? Rib Eye for example.

You make BBQ with Rib Eye and even when you "over cook" that meat, your friends will enjoy a soft and tasted meat. If you overcook New York steak, you will obtain a dry hard meat like wood.

Then, meat close to ribs are the "good tasted" meat which will be easy to break with your teeth.


Something that you must also understand is the procedure of the meat.

In England cows are fed with sheep intestines added to their vegetable diet.

In the US cows are fed with artificial additives. Even with antibiotics, which are necessary because are also fed with animals parts carrying bacteria.

But, if you go to farms from third world countries, to rural areas, you will be disappointed about how thin those cows look in comparison with the American cows. These cows in poor countries have the natural diet, and believe me, the flavor of their meat overpasses the poor flavor of the meat from American cows. And the flavor of the chicken meat... a chicken soup is just heaven and no Christian redemption is needed for such a paradise.

What I'm trying to say, is that your "veterinarian research" is based on meat that has been altered when the animal was alive. Even worst, the animal itself has been genetically modified as well. The chicken that most people ate in the 70's was the R71 (I think that was its description catalogue) which is a chicken born with atrophied legs. No walking means getting fatter faster.

No idea what is the new genetically modified chicken today, but surely the poor animal has less chances of survival by its own is left on the wild or just out but inside the perimeter of the farm.

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Reply Mon 16 Oct, 2017 09:10 am
nothing modern about it

we learned it from our grandparents who learned it from their grandparents who learned it from their grandparents and on and on

as long as there has been twisted fibre, people have known how to prepare it , use it and care for it

Great to know that your family has preserved such a technique for thousands of years...
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Reply Tue 4 Jun, 2019 12:26 pm
Christians follow the words and works of Jesus Christ. As written in Matthew 15:11, Jesus said, "What goes into a person's mouth doesn't make him unclean. It's what comes out of the mouth that makes a person unclean."
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Reply Wed 12 Jun, 2019 03:08 pm
There are many things which are not prohibited by God almighty but because of wrong interpretation or foul play by so called Christian scholars there is no law left for Christians to follow ( after all they are forgiven anyways by believing in Jesus).

Pork and alcohol are forbidden. Taking interest and gambling is forbidden. Adultery, prostitution and any sexual act outside marriage is prohibited but you know how much Christians care about those. As a matter of facts many Church leaders do what we can't even imagine.....
Reply Thu 13 Jun, 2019 05:19 am
an interesting more scholarly analysis of the development of Kashruth rules is presented in this piece

Reply Thu 13 Jun, 2019 12:35 pm
Thanks for sharing. Being a Muslim, I know the origins as well as benefits of these dietary restrictions.

The prohibition of pork in Islam is derived from the following verse of the Glorious Qur’an:

“Forbidden to you (for food) are: dead meat, blood, the flesh of swine, and that on which hath been invoked the name of other than Allah.”
[Al-Qur’an 5:3]

Let me explain various aspects of this prohibition:
1. Prohibition in Earlier Scriptures
Islam is a culmination of the same monotheistic religion that was revealed to earlier prophets. Although the Glorious Qur’an is the only revelation that is extant in its original revealed text, some remnants of earlier revelations can be found in the Bible.

The Bible prohibits the consumption of pork, in the book of Leviticus
“And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be cloven footed, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you”.

“Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcass shall ye not touch, they are unclean to you.” [Leviticus 11:7-8]

Pork is also prohibited in the Bible in the book of Deuteronomy

“And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud, it is unclean unto you. Ye shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their dead carcass.” [Deuteronomy 14:8]

A similar prohibition is repeated in the Bible in the book of Isaiah chapter 65 verse 2-5.
2. The Nature of Pork
The main utility of pigs in the ecosystem is as scavengers. They live and thrive on muck, feces and dirt.
It could be argued that in developed countries, pigs are bred in very clean and hygienic conditions. Even in these hygienic conditions the pigs are kept together in sties, and so the chances of them consuming filth are very high.
3. Health Aspects
Research has shown correlation between pork consumption and several diseases. Eating pork can expose the individual to various helminthes (worms) like roundworm, pinworm and hookworm. One of the most dangerous of worms is Taenia Solium, which, in lay man’s terminology is called the pork tapeworm. It harbors in the intestine and is very long. Its ova i.e. eggs, enter the blood stream and can reach almost all the organs of the body. If it enters the brain it can cause memory loss. If it enters the heart it can cause heart attack, in the eye it can cause blindness, and in the liver it can cause liver damage. It can damage almost all the organs of the body.
A common misconception about pork is that if it is cooked well, these ova die. In a research project undertaken in America, it was found that out of twenty-four people suffering from Trichura Tichurasis (another worm commonly found in pork), twenty two had cooked the pork very well. This indicates that the ova present in the pork do not die under normal cooking temperature.

Pork has very little muscle building material and contains excess of fat. This fat gets deposited in the vessels and can cause hypertension and heart attack. It is not surprising that hypertension is a common ailment due to the prevalence of the consumption of pork.

Thus the prohibition of pork in Islam is a blessing and one knows fact about Muslims is that they don't eat pork, even though it is prohibited in other religions as well.

This is because Muslims are people of book and they follow what is revealed by God. Others interpret laws of God and try to tell God what God should have revealed instead. I am not saying all Jews and Christians eat pork, all I am saying majority of them eat it regardless of clear prohibition in their respective books.
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Reply Thu 13 Jun, 2019 01:01 pm
So its okay to stone your son to death for disobeying you because he she or its mind never changes? What kind of a loving god is thar?
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Reply Thu 13 Jun, 2019 01:09 pm
Christian0912 wrote:

I didn't ask you to, but thanks for reminding me of that useless bit of information.
Oh, and whose we?
Also, I'm pretty sure that if I don't adapt to the customs of the site, I'm going to die, but again, thanks for the heads up.

Do you that part in the Bible about not turning the other cheek?

If you ignore them, they will go away.
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Reply Sat 29 Feb, 2020 06:56 am
re: "Do you ever drink a glass of milk as part of a meal with meat? Ever eat ice cream or have whipped cream on a dessert after a meal with meat? Ever have cheese on a sandwich along with animal flesh?"

What is your point?
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Reply Sat 29 Feb, 2020 10:42 am
Christian0912 wrote:

I've got another question... How come some 'Christians' eat pork? God clearly tells us what is okay, and not okay to eat. And pork is one of the many things that we are not allowed to eat. God never changed his mind on His laws, so could anybody tell me where it says we are allowed to eat pork now...

I highly doubt anyone can give me a valid response, so good luck.

I am a little surprised this hasn't come up before, there is a pretty simple Biblical Answer to this question. If you read the book of Acts, and the Epistles of Paul you see the story. Paul was converting Gentiles to Christianity; people who weren't Jewish and who didn't follow Jewish Law.

The issue was whether these new Christians, who were never Jewish, had to follow Jewish law. The writings of Paul suggest that there was quite a controversy over this.. one rather pain issue being the need for men to be circumcised as adults. Paul was on the side that... "no", people didn't have to follow Jewish laws.

The Apostle Paul won the argument (actually he wins the Bible... gets his way in pretty much everything). There are several passages in the Bible that explain this.

See Acts 10 (which says "What God has made clean, let no man call "unclean"), Romans 14, 1 Corinthians 8... etc.
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