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Life tenure for federal judges:

 
 
au1929
 
Reply Tue 21 Dec, 2004 10:57 am
Life tenure for federal judges: Should it be abolished? If so what criteria should be used? Age,health?
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Tue 21 Dec, 2004 11:02 am
Yes it should be abolished.

I think tenure of 15 years would be a good alternative.
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Debra Law
 
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Reply Tue 21 Dec, 2004 11:00 pm
lifetime appointment
The United States Constitution is the Supreme Law of the Land.

The United States Constitution, Article III (Judiciary), Section 1 provides the following:

Section 1. The judicial power of the United States, shall be vested in one Supreme Court, and in such inferior courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish. The judges, both of the supreme and inferior courts, shall hold their offices during good behaviour, and shall, at stated times, receive for their services, a compensation, which shall not be diminished during their continuance in office.

Under the Constitution, judges are entitled to hold their offices for their lifetime and may not be removed from office except for egregious misconduct that reflects adversely upon the judiciary.

The lifetime appointment of federal judges was an integral provision in the grand scheme of government designed by the framers to provide separation of powers and checks and balances against possible tyranny and oppression of the people if too much power was accumulated in a single branch of government.

The lifetime appointment of judges is necessary to give all persons the greatest due process assurance that they will have their cases heard by a fair and impartial decisionmaker. Without the security of a lifetime appointment, judges may fall prey to social and political pressures that could easily undermine their impartiality.

Therefore, the answer is NO. We should not meddle with the checks and balances that our forefathers carefully embedded into our constitutional scheme of government by amending the constitution to abolish lifetime appointments for federal judges.
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Wed 22 Dec, 2004 04:37 am
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Without the security of a lifetime appointment, judges may fall prey to social and political pressures that could easily undermine their impartiality.


Do you REALLY think that federal and supreme court judges are impartial?
If so, why do we speak of "liberal judges" and "conservative judges"? Each judge brings to the bench their own history, prejudices, and political slant on life.

There are a number of problems with lifetime appointments. The first one is obvious. Some judges stay on the bench past the time that they should be spending their time on a golf course. I don't care how sharp a person was in his youth. An aged judge cannot be expected to have the same mental incisiveness as a younger person.

A judge is "forever". Unlike a politician, who can be booted out of office, the people are stuck with a person if he turns out to be a clunker. I do agree that the terms of judges should be more than the term of a politician. Fifteen years or seventy years of age, whichever comes first, sounds like a reasonable limit.
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Debra Law
 
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Reply Wed 22 Dec, 2004 05:55 am
lifetime appointment vs. elected
Phoenix32890 wrote:
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Without the security of a lifetime appointment, judges may fall prey to social and political pressures that could easily undermine their impartiality.


Do you REALLY think that federal and supreme court judges are impartial?
If so, why do we speak of "liberal judges" and "conservative judges"? Each judge brings to the bench their own history, prejudices, and political slant on life.


Nothing I said should be taken out of context and read in isolation. The framers of our constitution believed that lifetime appointments of federal judges was necessary for our constitutional scheme of government based on separation of powers and checks and balances to ensure that no single branch of government accumulated too much power that would threaten the people with tyranny and oppression.

Additionally, the lifetime appointment of federal judges provides the people with the greatest due process assurance that they will have their cases heard by a fair and impartial decisionmaker.

Our government is not a pure democracy. Our government is a republic wherein INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS are protected against the whims of mob or majority rule. If judges are elected rather than appointed, they may be inclined to cater to the electorate and decide cases based upon popular view rather than the merits of the case before them.

Under your view that judges cannot be impartial because they are mere human beings with a history filled with life experiences that shape their opinions and views. Judges, however, are required to remain objective and to apply the law to the facts of the case. You cannot assume that judges allow their personal "prejudices" to govern their court rulings.

In your view, there is no such thing as a fair and impartial tribunal -- but somehow that evil is made more bearable if we rotate judges (all of whom are inherently prejudiced because of their history) out of office every 15 years. I don't understand your logic.

For the greatest possible assurance that an individual's fundamental due process right to a fair and impartial tribunal will be protected, I would much rather try a case before an appointed judge rather than an elected judge -- especially if it is a high profile case and the judge may be worrying about how the outcome of the case will effect his/her chances of reelection.

Lifetime appointments are necessary to ensure an independent judiciary. That was true when the framers of our constitution designed our government over two centuries ago and its true today.

Your concern over "liberal" judges or "conservative" judges is merely a concern with labels. All judges, regardless of the label that may be placed on them, have a sworn duty to uphold the constitution and to fairly and impartially decide the cases and controversies before them. That duty is the same for all judges regardless of their age, experience, or background.

Just because people grow older, hitting a certain age doesn't suddenly make them unqualified for holding public office. Except in rare cases where one's "youthful" age is a bona fide job qualification, age discrimination is unlawful.
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au1929
 
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Reply Wed 22 Dec, 2004 07:59 am
The question not how a judge receives his office but whether he should have lifetime tenure. IMO and from life experience I know full well it is the rare exception when an individuals memory and mental quickness does not diminish with age. Federal judges are not immune to the ravages of age.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 22 Dec, 2004 08:06 am
As for Phoenix's comments, i would point out the following:

As Miss Law has quoted, the constitution provides that: The judges, both of the supreme and inferior courts, shall hold their offices during good behaviour . . .

This formula, appointing judges se bene geserit (while well-conducted), was an ancient forumla of Europe. As the other common formula was appointment at the pleasure of the monarch making the appointment, se bene geserit was preferred, on the assumption that such an appointment freed the judges from the vagaries of royal favor. The use of the formula in the constitution suggests to me an equivalent care for removing judges from the threat of retributive action resulting from their rulings. Whether or not a judge is to be considered liberal or conservative is meaningless, so long as they do not act upon such convictions in a manner which compromises their integrity to an actionable degree.

As for Au's contention about the enfeeblement of age, perhaps some tinkering could come up with a review system by other judges, but personally, i would hesitate to risk the loss of the services of many because of the putative infirmities of a few.
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panzade
 
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Reply Wed 22 Dec, 2004 08:09 am
well said...
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au1929
 
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Reply Wed 22 Dec, 2004 08:27 am
Setanta
Is there at the present time any mechanism for removal of a judge due to infirmity? We had a president who was afflicted with the onset of Alzheimer's for much of his second term in office. Would a federal judge with that condition be any more palatable? And if that were to happen could he be retired?
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Wed 22 Dec, 2004 08:44 am
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Just because people grow older, hitting a certain age doesn't suddenly make them unqualified for holding public office. Except in rare cases where one's "youthful" age is a bona fide job qualification, age discrimination is unlawful.


Very true. But the example of Reagan brings up a valid point. It is a fact of life that age brings with it certain infirmities, some physical, some mental. It varies from person to person. There are some eighty year olds who are sharp as whips. There are 60 year olds, who already show the signs of mental decline.

Maybe I was hasty when I cited 70 as an age for retirement. But what can be done if there is a jurist on the bench who demonstrates that he is no longer able to do the job? I am not speaking about glaring incompetency, which can cause a judge to be removed, but simply a diminishment of mental acuity that can be perceived in the judge's rulings.


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The judges, both of the supreme and inferior courts, shall hold their offices during good behaviour.


How does one quantify, "good behavior"?
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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 22 Dec, 2004 10:07 am
I had a long response to Au and to Phoenix, which this crappy Canajun ISP lost . . . and i don't consider the topic compelling enough to repeat the effort . . . castles in Spain . . .
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Debra Law
 
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Reply Thu 30 Dec, 2004 03:06 am
disability
Phoenix32890 wrote:
Maybe I was hasty when I cited 70 as an age for retirement. But what can be done if there is a jurist on the bench who demonstrates that he is no longer able to do the job? I am not speaking about glaring incompetency, which can cause a judge to be removed, but simply a diminishment of mental acuity that can be perceived in the judge's rulings.


Here's what the State of Minnesota did:

Judge mentally ill, justices rule

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Ginsberg should be removed but deserves pension, they say . . .

A Hennepin County judge whose behavior in and out of the courtroom cost him his job has a mental illness and should be retired with a disability pension, the Minnesota Supreme Court ruled Monday.

The court also said District Court Judge Harvey Ginsberg should be removed from office and barred from practicing law for a year and must have a reinstatement hearing before he can be a lawyer again.

Ginsberg has been on medical leave since June 2003, and because he didn't run for re-election, his current term expires Monday. But the court's consideration of whether the jurist was eligible for a disability pension was a big deal to him and to the outfit that opposed the pension, the Minnesota Board of Judicial Standards.

"This is something he's entitled to if he's really disabled," said Mark Gehan, the St. Paul attorney who represented Ginsberg. "He's got a wife and kids, and he was extraordinarily anxious about their well-being."

David Paul, executive director of the state's judicial standards board, said he was satisfied with the ruling.

Ginsberg, 51, was appointed to the bench in 1991, elected in 1992 and re-elected in 1998. But according to medical experts who have since examined him, he began suffering from mental illness. The diagnoses include major depressive disorder and generalized anxiety disorder.

He and others later claimed the mental illness was a factor in incidents that contributed to his removal. He was convicted of misdemeanor assault for slapping a juvenile who had hidden his son's bicycle, and he was convicted of causing criminal damage to property when he scratched the paint on a woman's car in a parking lot.

In a 2002 case involving a defendant charged with cruelty to animals, prosecutors and the defense worked out a plea bargain. When the defense lawyer approached the bench to ask Ginsberg if he would accept the agreement, the judge said, "Let's kill him," referring to the defendant.

Ginsberg then had the accused taken into his chambers with three sheriff's deputies and demanded that the defendant choose one of the deputies with whom to fight. When the man finally picked a deputy, the judge said he would set the case for trial and have it assigned to another judge.

The judicial standards board argued before the Supreme Court that mental illness doesn't excuse a judge's misconduct. Ginsberg's misconduct was so bad, a lawyer for the board argued, that he should be disciplined by being removed from office without the disability pension.

The Supreme Court ruled that it could do both — sanction Ginsberg for the misconduct by removing him from office, and award him the disability pension because mental illness makes him unable to be a judge.


Minnesota Supreme Court Decision:

Inquiry into the Conduct of the Honorable Harvey C. Ginsberg
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 1 Jan, 2005 02:54 pm
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By guaranteeing judges life tenure during good behavior, the Constitution tries to insulate judges from the public pressures that may affect elected officials. The Constitution protects judicial independence not to benefit judges, but to promote the rule of law: judges are expected to administer the law fairly, without regard to public reaction. Nevertheless, our government, in James Madison's words, ultimately derives "all powers directly or indirectly from the great body of the people." Thus, public reaction to judicial decisions, if it is sustained and widespread, can be a factor in the electoral process and lead to the appointment of judges who might decide cases differently....

Although arguments over the federal Judiciary have always been with us, criticism of judges, including charges of activism, have in the eyes of some taken a new turn in recent years.... At the same time, there have been suggestions to impeach federal judges who issue decisions regarded by some as out of the mainstream. And there were several bills introduced in the last Congress that would limit the jurisdiction of the federal courts to decide constitutional challenges to certain kinds of government action....

Source: Chief Justice Rehnquist's year-end report PDF-file
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Debra Law
 
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Reply Sun 2 Jan, 2005 07:37 am
cnn
CNN article:

Ailing chief justice: Lifetime terms insulate from politics
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au1929
 
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Reply Sun 2 Jan, 2005 10:35 am
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Chief Justice William H. Rehnquist, ailing from thyroid cancer, defended lifetime appointments for judges Saturday as necessary to insulate them from pressures as they deal with politically sensitive issues.


Link
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 2 Jan, 2005 10:42 am
Thanks, au - that's exactly Debra_Law's link from just above, referring to my linked pdf-report in the previous post :wink:
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BadCzech
 
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Reply Wed 16 Feb, 2005 04:22 pm
Re: Life tenure for federal judges:
au1929 wrote:
Life tenure for federal judges: Should it be abolished? If so what criteria should be used? Age,health?


It would take a Constitutional amendment, and that is a tall order, which is not likely to be served by our Congress
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