Nice Guy's really do finish last.

Nah. If you come on as Charlie Animal, it would turn out they were looking for Joe Sensitive. It's called the Rule of General Perversity of the the University.

dunno - know plenty of guys that got what they were after

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I will have to disagree to a certain extent there, CarbonSystem. I think it depends totally on the woman, not women in general Maybe I am naive, but I did not think that womenshould never demand respect, but earn it like everyone else. IMO that makes the women as responsible as the man for niceties exchanged. It should never be one-sided.

But then again, I am not your "general" woman on the streets, either. I am sometimes disgusted with the mutual disrespect that the genders show towards each other. And these are supposed loving partnerships!!

I am also one who believes that the women's lib movement has outlived and overstepped its boundaries as equals. For the most part, I think the role that most women play in equal rights is a bunch of BS. As I think I have mentioned a time before on this board, a good many women don't want to be equal....they want to be BETTER. And that IMO, strips them of the respect that they could have earned by being fair and not carrying this equal rights crap to the point of better than or mightier than thou.

I still like to believe that common courtesy should be the norm and not the exception. I still believe in treating others as I wish to be treated. I still believe in romanticism and respect and honour....on both sides.
I may be extremely old fashioned, but I love having a door opened for me, I love having a chair pulled out for me at dinner, I love when a man honours me as a woman and not just an equal.

Trust me, I worked hard for it, and the name "Lady J" didn't just come flying out of thin air. I earned that "Lady" because of niceties, respect, diplomacy, honour and decency to my fellow man. In my book, I will seek the prince and the nice guy first before anyone else......

That's how it started, but she got bored.

If you haven't noticed this is a personal experience of mine. Where are you Thalion? I know you'll have my back on this one.

Shouldn't this be in the 'Relationships and Marriage' forum?

Maybe it should .. .I didn't think about that one, but maybe the debate is good though, because I'd like to hear some points and counterpoints, but you are right.

Haha - yes, I agree.

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It sounds like what David DeAngelo talks about. Men that don't respect women are often attractive to them because they have confidence. But if you have confidence and are nice, that is even better, because women are attracted to you and they like you as a person too.

That is just the theory, I haven't had any success myself.

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Nah, it's not the nice guy that finishes last, it's the guy who worries about it, that finishes last.

Nice doesn't matter. Confidence matters.

She got bored? Of being treated wonderfully? What a beotch.
I realize this a personal experience of yours, but can you give us any more details about anything?

I think most guys don't start worrying until after she starts ignoring him or giving absolutely no idication that she wants to see him. At this point the guy does become worried, and for good reason- she just doesn't want to see him, and starts "crowding" her. But he's crowding her under the conditions of never seeing her, b\c she doesn't want to see him and he doesn't see her. When he does, she acts like he doesn't exist. The guy is then blamed for crowding her when they barely saw each other, and he got upset b\c of that. It seems to me like it starts off with her not wanting to see him, then he gets worried, not vice versa.

People always look for things which they can't have

I knew Thalion would know what I was talkin about

Just don't worry about it.

Watch porn. It's healthier.

Binnyboy

Not for cyborgs.

I'm not a cyborg yet! And I've gotta keep my rampant heterosexual urges under control before they cause me to be irrational!