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Got a car or gotten a car

 
 
Reply Wed 16 Aug, 2017 04:48 am
In "I have got a car", does "got" mean "bought" or should I write, "I have gotten a car"?

Thank you.
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Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Wed 16 Aug, 2017 04:55 am
@paok1970,
The first is honest and sound while the last is dodgy and nonsensical...
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 17 Aug, 2017 02:37 am
@paok1970,
Got usually means have, but it can also mean to purchase something, as in 'I got the shopping from the supermarket.'

Gotten is something only Americans use. It's not acceptable in the UK.
Ponderer
 
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Reply Thu 17 Aug, 2017 09:30 pm
@izzythepush,
Well. How 'bout that? I was taught that this was proper "English".
If I had known you were bringing your children , I would have gotten more ice cream.
I got up at six o'clock this morning. I have gotten up before seven o'clock all week.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 18 Aug, 2017 01:14 am
@Ponderer,
That's not what we'd say in England. You can repeat it as many times as you want, but that won't change things. In both of your examples we would say got. Although your second example is a bit clumsy, and I'd say, 'I've been getting up before seven all week,' ( o' clock is redundant, very rarely used in spoken English.)
centrox
 
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Reply Fri 18 Aug, 2017 01:43 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:
That's not what we'd say in England. You can repeat it as many times as you want, but that won't change things. In both of your examples we would say got. Although your second example is a bit clumsy, and I'd say, 'I've been getting up before seven all week,'

I might say "I've got up at seven all week".

Grammarist says:
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In American and Canadian English, the past participle of the verb get is usually gotten. For example, we might say, “I have gotten behind on my work,” or, “The book was not gotten easily.” Got is the participle in some uses, though, such as where has got to or have got to means must (e.g., “We have got to go to the store.”) and where has got or have got means has or have (e.g., “I have got five sisters.”)

In the main varieties of English from outside North America, the past participle of get in all its senses is usually got. Gotten appears occasionally, and it is standard in a few set phrases such as ill-gotten gains, but the shorter form prevails by a large margin.

That gotten is primarily used in North America has given rise to the mistaken belief that it is American in origin and hence new and inferior. But gotten is in fact an old form, predating the United States and Canada by several centuries. It fell out of favor in British English by the 18th century, but it was eventually picked up again on the other side of the Atlantic, perhaps by analogy with forgotten.

The vehemence of some Britons’ scorn for gotten likely has to do with the fact that it has gained ground in British English over the last couple of decades. Many English speakers from outside North America resist the encroachment of so-called Americanisms (many of which, like gotten, are not actually American in origin) on their versions of English, and, for mysterious reasons, some feel especially strongly about gotten.


izzythepush wrote:
( o' clock is redundant, very rarely used in spoken English.)

I had a mate who used to say things like "I'll meet you at the watering station at nine of the clock to consume libations of the brewed variety". A twat, in other words. The sun was either over, or not yet, over the yard-arm, the morning was 'the forenoon', etc etc.

Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 18 Aug, 2017 01:58 am
In reference to the original question, I've got a car can simply mean that one possesses a car. For example:'

Hey Buddy, how are we supposed to get there?

Don't worry, I've got a car.


I can't speak for the Angle-ish, but in the United States, if one has purchased a car very recently and wants to inform others of the fact, one says: "I've bought a car." After all, "got a car?" Maybe you stole the car, who knows?
izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 18 Aug, 2017 02:09 am
@centrox,
centrox wrote:
I had a mate who used to say things like "I'll meet you at the watering station at nine of the clock to consume libations of the brewed variety". A twat, in other words. The sun was either over, or not yet, over the yard-arm, the morning was 'the forenoon', etc etc.




This sort.

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Ponderer
 
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Reply Fri 18 Aug, 2017 07:07 am
@izzythepush,
"Wednesday morning at five o'clock ..."

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maxdancona
 
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Reply Fri 18 Aug, 2017 07:29 am
@Ponderer,
" ... I would have gotten more ice cream." Is perfectly good English here in the Northeastern US. It wouldn't sound out of place at all.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Fri 18 Aug, 2017 07:34 am
@Setanta,
When I am on a trip with a co-worker, at the airport I will say "I am going to go get a car." In this case "get" refers to rent. I will also go get some groceries (which means "buy").

These usages are all idiomatic... and vary from region to region.

I would also say "we don't need to take the bus, I got a car." This is colloquial, but we say things like this all the time (where "got" means "own").

Ponderer
 
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Reply Fri 18 Aug, 2017 07:39 am
@maxdancona,
"...perfectly good...". I like that. ( and appreciate it )
I started to write to Izzy,"On a scale of world problems, it doesn't register."
paok1970
 
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Reply Fri 18 Aug, 2017 07:41 am
@centrox,
Dear Centrox:

I am writing back because I am having problems understanding the kind of English you speak. Are you from England?

Also, in the sentence "I've got up at seven all week", is "got" the past participle of "get"?

Thanks again for you help and understanding.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 18 Aug, 2017 08:01 am
@Ponderer,
You're the one making an issue out of it.
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centrox
 
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Reply Fri 18 Aug, 2017 08:08 am
@paok1970,
paok1970 wrote:
I am writing back because I am having problems understanding the kind of English you speak. Are you from England?

I am from England. You have not heard me speak. You have seen what I have written, which is normal standard English.

paok1970 wrote:
Also, in the sentence "I've got up at seven all week", is "got" the past participle of "get"?

Yes.

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Ponderer
 
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Reply Fri 18 Aug, 2017 08:10 am
@izzythepush,
To make my previous reply to Izzy more understandable across any international or generational "separations ", the complete line is
"Wednesday morning at five o'clock as the day begins"
From the song "She's Leaving Home" by the Beatles
Written by John Lennon and Paul McCartney
centrox
 
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Reply Fri 18 Aug, 2017 08:11 am
@Ponderer,
Ponderer wrote:
the Beatles

They were Victorians weren't they?
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maxdancona
 
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Reply Fri 18 Aug, 2017 08:11 am
@paok1970,
This is a phrasal verb. When you say "I got up at 7 today." The verb is "got up" which is the past tense of "to get up". It functions as a single verb (the words "got" and "up" don't function separately).
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 18 Aug, 2017 08:15 am
@Ponderer,
That's a song lyric, subject to something called poetic licence, and it's from 1967, that's 50 years ago. As said previously, in conversation, in the UK today, the use of 'o clock is redundant. But don't let that stop you from claiming that you know more about the UK than either Contrex or me.
centrox
 
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Reply Fri 18 Aug, 2017 08:24 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:
As said previously, in conversation, in the UK today, the use of 'o clock is redundant.

In 1981 I lived in a street that everyone called the "nine o'clock shop". This was when many shops closed earlier.
 

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