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Charlie Gard Has Passed

 
 
oralloy
 
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Reply Tue 1 Aug, 2017 11:01 pm
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:
That's the point. The Democrats hate freedom.

Why do you guys hate our freedom so much? I can never understand why.
oralloy
 
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Reply Tue 1 Aug, 2017 11:03 pm
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:
Yes we agree... and outlawing parties is part of that.

I think the Constitution would allow a party to be outlawed if that party were guilty of terrible abuses of the law.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Tue 1 Aug, 2017 11:09 pm
@oralloy,
It would be no less constitutional to outlaw a party than it would be to prevent Democrats from holding the office of prosecutors.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Tue 1 Aug, 2017 11:11 pm
@oralloy,
We need to do something about the lying press too. Can we pass a rule that any story in the press that isn't true should be punished.

The prosecutors can decide which stories are lies, and since none of the prosecutors will be Democrats, you know that only truth will be printed.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Tue 1 Aug, 2017 11:12 pm
@oralloy,
Hating freedom is a pretty terrible abuse of the law. As is attacking a Freedom loving president.
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hightor
 
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Reply Wed 2 Aug, 2017 04:47 am
@oralloy,
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Why do you guys hate our freedom so much?

What about the freedom to die?

Let's take a hypothetical case where a person develops a debilitating and incurable disease. Left untreated, the patient will die. Medical intervention may prolong life and possibly ease suffering temporarily but the patient will eventually die. Is state-mandated medical intervention a violation of the person's freedom? What about the intervention of other parties who demand that the person be kept alive? Is it really "freedom" when the full force of government is used to keep a dying person's lungs working when his own body has shut down? Is it really "freedom" to compel the public to fund treatments which everyone understands are merely futile attempts which prolong the patient's agony when the patient's own body can no longer sustain itself?

I'm talking about people with terminal illnesses here, not severely afflicted patients who are treated with commonly recognized and long-tested procedures which are actually effective at curing a particular disease or condition.
TheCobbler
 
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Reply Wed 2 Aug, 2017 05:47 am
Where was God when Charlie was dying?
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oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 2 Aug, 2017 06:38 pm
@hightor,
hightor wrote:
Let's take a hypothetical case where a person develops a debilitating and incurable disease. Left untreated, the patient will die. Medical intervention may prolong life and possibly ease suffering temporarily but the patient will eventually die. Is state-mandated medical intervention a violation of the person's freedom?

If someone has a sound mind and they do not want treatment, it would be a violation of their freedom to force treatment upon them.


hightor wrote:
What about the intervention of other parties who demand that the person be kept alive?

If the patient does not wish such treatment, that as well would violate his or her freedom.


hightor wrote:
Is it really "freedom" when the full force of government is used to keep a dying person's lungs working when his own body has shut down?

Depends on the will of the patient. Freedom is doing what the patient wants. Forcing something unwanted onto a patient would violate their freedom.


hightor wrote:
Is it really "freedom" to compel the public to fund treatments which everyone understands are merely futile attempts which prolong the patient's agony when the patient's own body can no longer sustain itself?

Yes. People should be allowed to go down fighting if that is what they choose.


hightor wrote:
I'm talking about people with terminal illnesses here, not severely afflicted patients who are treated with commonly recognized and long-tested procedures which are actually effective at curing a particular disease or condition.

Understood.
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