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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 13 Oct, 2005 01:07 pm
Quote:
Original song: Anathea (words: Neil Roth, music: Lydia Wood)
Dylan song: Seven Curses (August 1963)

The song "Anathea" tells a similar story to "Seven Curses." To quote the late John Bauldie: "The song's story is as old as the hills - the tale used by Shakespeare for Measure for Measure is an obvious variant - and it's been told in folk song many times down the years, under such titles as 'The Prickley Bush,' 'The Briery Bush,' and 'The Prickle Holly Bush.' Perhaps the earliest version is the Child Ballad number 95, 'The Maid Freed From the Gallows,' but it seems likely that Dylan's direct source was a song called "Anathea," often performed by Judy Collins, whom Dylan knew well at this time." (From Bauldie's notes for The Bootleg Series, Vols. 1-3)
When asked about this, Judy Collins agreed: "Absolutely, the seven curses are related to Anathea. There are old themes, world themes, centuries' old dramas that get worked out in the creative process by artist after artist. I see what Dylan has always done is to connect with this inner, subterranean river of the subconscious."
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Letty
 
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Reply Thu 13 Oct, 2005 01:11 pm
You know, edgar, I do believe one of the things that keeps Dylan alive and in the public eye is his mystique. He probably couldn't give you the background himself. <smile>

Did locate the brief background on Taffy:


The children's nursery rhyme 'Taffy was a Welshman' has its origins in Celtic Mythology. Amaethon (from which the name Taffy is derived) was the God of Welsh Agriculture. This Celtic God Amaethon was renown for stealing a variety of wild life from the god Arawn, the Lord of the Otherworld. The association between Taffy and the thief is thus explained...

I declare, listeners, that's a gem of knowledge. Very Happy
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Letty
 
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Reply Thu 13 Oct, 2005 01:16 pm
Hey, Walter, missed your background info. That may well explain why the number "seven" is both lucky and unlucky.
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McTag
 
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Reply Thu 13 Oct, 2005 02:13 pm
Walter Hinteler wrote:
And then I saw the river's dream-self walk
Down to the ring mesh netting by the bridge
To feel the edge of shingle brush the edge
Of sleep and float a world up like a cork
Out of its body's liquid dark.
Like in a waterfall one small twig caught
Catches a stick , a straw, a sack , a mesh
Of leaves, a fragile wickerwork of floodbrash,
I saw all things catch and reticulate
Into this dreaming of the Dart
That sinks like a feather falls, not quite
In full possession of its weight.

from: Alice Oswald, Dart


Txs for nice pome, Walt

http://www.answers.com/Dartmouth%2C%20Devon
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spendius
 
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Reply Thu 13 Oct, 2005 02:18 pm
Walt had this in his quote-

Quote:
The song "Anathea" tells a similar story to "Seven Curses." To quote the late John Bauldie


Americans have probably never heard of John Bauldie.He originated a Dylan magazine in England known as The Telegraph.It ran to 47 issues I think.I have them all.No 1 is on cheap A4 folded and stapled and No 47 is a flash glossy production with colour photos.

Sadly John was killed in a helicopter crash returning from a Bolton/Chelsea football match and the last issue is a memorial.

He,and his mag,are still much missed.
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Letty
 
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Reply Thu 13 Oct, 2005 02:27 pm
You're right about this American, spendius. Never heard of him, but I regret his sad ending, really.

Someone in our vast audience created a thread asking if we really cared about others on the forum.

I think most of us do, right listeners?
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bobsmythhawk
 
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Reply Thu 13 Oct, 2005 02:28 pm
If everyone's going to be in a fey way I might as well join in.

Barry McGuire - Eve Of Destruction



The eastern world it tis explodin',
violence flarin', bullets loadin',
you're old enough to kill but not for votin',
you don't believe in war, but what's that gun you're totin',
and even the Jordan river has bodies floatin',
but you tell me over and over and over again my friend,
ah, you don't believe we're on the eve of destruction.

Don't you understand, what I'm trying to say?
And Can't you feel the fear that I'm feeling today?
If the button is pushed, there's no running away,
There'll be noone to save with the world in a grave,
take a look around you, boy, it's bound to scare you, boy,
but you tell me over and over and over again my friend,
ah, you don't believe we're on the eve of destruction.

Yeah, my blood's so mad, feels like coagulatin',
I'm sittin' here, just contemplatin',
I can't twist the truth, it knows no regulation,
handful of Senators don't pass legislation,
and marches alone can't bring integration,
when human respect is disintegratin',
this whole crazy world is just too frustratin',
and you tell me over and over and over again my friend,
ah, you don't believe we're on the eve of destruction.

Think of all the hate there is in Red China!
Then take a look around to Selma, Alabama!
Ah, you may leave here, for four days in space,
but when your return, it's the same old place,
the poundin' of the drums, th pride and disgrace,
you can bury your dead, but don't leave a trace,
hate your next-door-neighbour, but don't forget to say grace,
and you tell me over and over and over and over again my friend,
ah, you don't believe we're on the eve of destruction.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Thu 13 Oct, 2005 02:36 pm
I saw Barry McGuire in person once. Where? We both were attending a (who else) Bob Dylan concert.
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Letty
 
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Reply Thu 13 Oct, 2005 02:51 pm
Fey way? Love it, Bob. Sounds like a kid trying to say Faye Wray; however, Boston, I think we may have been on the eve of destruction since she first took that bite from the apple. That song is like a prophet, no?

Speaking of strange things, listeners. I notice that there will be a full moon on the 17th of this month, and on the eve of Halloween, daylight saving time ends.

How about a little Rocky, listeners:


Full moon and empty arms
The moon is there for us to share
But where are you?
A night like this could weave a memory
And every kiss could start a dream for two
Full moon and empty arms
Tonight I'll use the magic moon to wish upon
And next full moon if my one wish comes true
My empty arms will be filled with you.

Now who can name the classical piece from which that was taken.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Thu 13 Oct, 2005 03:02 pm
Full Moon And Empty Arms


Written by: Ted Mossman

Written by: Buddy Kaye

Music by: Sergei Rachmaninoff
Arranged By: Axel Stordahl - Axel Stordahl

Label: Columbia - Columbia

Recorded: 11/19/45 - 11/30/45
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Full moon and empty arms, the moon is there for us to share, but where are you?

A night like this could weave a memory, and every kiss could start a dream for two.

Full moon and empty arms, I'll use the magic moon to wish upon,

And next full moon, if my one wish comes true, my empty arms will be filled with you.
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Francis
 
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Reply Thu 13 Oct, 2005 03:06 pm
Edgar, I had a brief encounter with that.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Thu 13 Oct, 2005 03:10 pm
When I saw McGuire at the concert, a fan stood up and pointed a camera at him. He seemed put out by it, but paused for her a moment. He went backstage during intermission and came back to sit in the audience.

His own son recorded a new version of Eve of Destruction several years ago.
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Letty
 
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Reply Thu 13 Oct, 2005 03:11 pm
Well, my goodness, edgar. You did a double, but you were right about Rachmaninoff.

Well, Francis, what brief encounter had you with Rocky? <smile>
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Letty
 
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Reply Thu 13 Oct, 2005 03:15 pm
Let's see, folks. Is it McGuire or Rocky of whom we speak. Please don't confuse Miss Letty.
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spendius
 
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Reply Thu 13 Oct, 2005 03:21 pm
I might add to the John Bauldie legend a little.He reported that Dylan once asked him for his subscription list and he refused to hand it over.

And if you had two letters published in his mag.you were a "BOBCAT".
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McTag
 
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Reply Thu 13 Oct, 2005 03:27 pm
Moon? June? Fay Wray? The conversation ebbs and flows over quite a territory.

Anyone know this?

No Moon At All

- Artist: Robert Goulet as sung on "The Wonderful World Of Love"
- Columbia CS 8793
- charted by The Ames Brothers with Les Brown at # 21 in 1953
- Words and Music by R. Evans and D. Mann


No moon at all, what a night
Even lightnin' bugs have dimmed their lights
Stars have disappeared from sight
And there's no moon at all

Don't make a sound, it's so dark
Even Fido is afraid to bark
What a perfect chance to park
And there's no moon at all

Should we want atmosphere for inspiration, dear
One kiss will make it clear
That tonight is right and bright moonlight might interfere

No moon at all way up above
This is nothin' like they told us of
Just to think we fell in love
And there's no moon at all

<instrumental interlude>

Should we want atmosphere for inspiration, dear
One kiss will make it clear
That tonight is right and bright moonlight might interfere

No moon at all up above
Aww, this is nothin' like they told us of
Just to think we fell in love
And there's no moon at all

Aww, there's no moon at all
There is no moon at all
No moon at all
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Letty
 
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Reply Thu 13 Oct, 2005 03:28 pm
all right, then. I'll simply sit back and listen until I get some things straight. That seems fair, right?

Question: Which is it? Bob McGuire or Rachmaninoff or Bobcat.
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Letty
 
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Reply Thu 13 Oct, 2005 03:31 pm
Thanks for playing No Moon at All, McTag. Nice to listen to as I await answers.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Thu 13 Oct, 2005 04:05 pm
In retrospect, I am not sure myself the what Francis refers.
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Letty
 
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Reply Thu 13 Oct, 2005 04:17 pm
Well, edgar, perhaps he will explain.

Just a little recap for our listeners.

The entire thing started with Bob's reference to "fey way" and his song Eve of Destruction.

Miss Letty made a pun on "fey way" by saying "Faye Wray" and a weak attempt at levity by referring to Eve and her apple eating.

edgar referred to McGuire, the author of the song that Bob played and answered my question about the classical piece from which Full Moon and Empty Arms came. Then spendius tip-toed in with a reference to Bobcat.

Are we there yet, folks?
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