Quote:"I will never admit defeat," Yanukovych said
Sounds eerily familiar. Is it okay if I call him a scumbag?
OCCOM BILL wrote:Quote:"I will never admit defeat," Yanukovych said
Sounds eerily familiar. Is it okay if I call him a scumbag?

Well, I guess he's got as much right as Yushchenko had to challenge results he thinks are fraudulent ... not that I think he's got a leg to stand on, considering the vote margin and the thousands of election observers from around the world saying things went more fairly / regularly this time round ..
I shouldn't have posted that here. This thread contains one of the better discussions on A2K. Had I realized the conversation stopped there, I would have deleted it.
I also, off the cuff, wouldn't preclude Yanukovich's right to contest the elecion--but if what we've heard is correct--there was widespread fraud with tens of witnesses over a vast area in the Nov election. Good cause for the Orange Revolution.
No such fraudulent behavior has been reported in this recent election. (Of course, Yanukovich and some supporters accuse--but no widespread reports and exit polling disparities, as with the Nov election.)
Still watching with interest.
I trust their courts will weed it out shortly.
Watching - and waiting for my colleague from the Ukraine to get back to the office. I want to hear her stories.
Hope you'll share, ehBeth. I can't imagine what it must be like to experience times like these.
It's a bizarrely exciting time. I'm waiting for N to get back with her news about the Ukraine election (and her observations). At the same time, I'm talking to my ex-colleagues who have lost family in Sri Lanka (Toronto has a very large Tamil community). One friend called today - a section of his extended family lost at least 20 members - parts of 4 generations that lived in two neighbouring houses.
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Still waiting for N to return.
Getting anxious.
Interesting site - interesting times we live in.
AP is reporting that Ukraine's Supreme Court has rejected all appeals by Prime Minister Viktor Yanukovych against Sunday's presidential revote, won by opposition leader Viktor Yushchenko.
It's over.
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Ukrainian Prime Minister
Yanukovych resigns
Quits in televised New Year's Eve address
The Associated Press
Updated: 7:22 p.m. ET Dec. 31, 2004KIEV, Ukraine - Prime Minister Viktor Yanukovych resigned Friday, making a grudging admission that he had little hope of reversing the presidential election victory of his Western-leaning rival.
Yanukovych announced his decision in a televised New Year's Eve address, saying he would push ahead with his appeal to the Supreme Court against the election results that showed pro-Western reformer Viktor Yushchenko as the winner ?- though he admitted it was likely futile.
"We are still fighting, but I don't have much hope," Yanukovych said.
Yanukovych has seen much of his support fall away, losing the backing of outgoing President Leonid Kuchma and watching as many of his top advisers deserted him. This week, he returned to work as prime minister, but the opposition blockaded his government headquarters, refusing to let him convene a Cabinet session. The meeting went ahead in another building without him.
On Thursday, election officials rejected his complaints of fraud, upholding Yushchenko's victory.
"I have made the decision to submit my formal resignation," he said. It appeared his resignation was effective immediately.
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The rest of the article can be found on MSNBC.
It has been quite a ride. I'm thrilled for the Ukrainians. Thankful this was accomplished with no violence.
I feel like welcoming them. Good luck to them.
Gotta feelin' this is just the end of the openin' game. The middle game is where it all happens. 'Bout all thats happened so far is both players have sacrificed a couple pawns to fully unmask their cardinal pieces. Remember - whatever shirt they're wearin', these players are at end Russians, and know and love chess. Stay tuned for further developments.
Good news good news. Way to start the new year.
timberlandko wrote:Gotta feelin' this is just the end of the openin' game. The middle game is where it all happens. 'Bout all thats happened so far is both players have sacrificed a couple pawns to fully unmask their cardinal pieces. Remember - whatever shirt they're wearin', these players are at end Russians, and know and love chess. Stay tuned for further developments.
Well, although the geostrategics around all this have been an interesting thing to see emerged momentarily in the open, there's also the pesky matter of the Ukrainian people fighting election fraud, restoring their power over the process, their ownership of their state - voting (in intent, if nothing else), for radical change - of a rarely precedented show of popular engagement and commitment in the country's democracy and, dare I say, the people's heroic success ... it's not
all just the cynicisms of strategic chess players ...
timberlandko wrote:Gotta feelin' this is just the end of the openin' game. The middle game is where it all happens. 'Bout all thats happened so far is both players have sacrificed a couple pawns to fully unmask their cardinal pieces. Remember - whatever shirt they're wearin', these players are at end Russians, and know and love chess. Stay tuned for further developments.
I greatly fear that you're right, Timber. It ain't over til it's over. And Putin's not the type to just resign from a chess game.
I guess I'm not sure what we're categorizing as over or not over.
The election is over. Surely, geopolitical wrangling of all kinds in all locations will go on as long as humans inhabit the earth.
Are any of you suggesting that Yuschenko will not be sworn in?
"I do not have a dog in this fight! See!" George Bush