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A wish and a prayer for the Ukrainian democrats, please

 
 
OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Tue 28 Dec, 2004 12:30 pm
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"I will never admit defeat," Yanukovych said

Sounds eerily familiar. Is it okay if I call him a scumbag? Sad
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nimh
 
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Reply Wed 29 Dec, 2004 01:08 pm
OCCOM BILL wrote:
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"I will never admit defeat," Yanukovych said

Sounds eerily familiar. Is it okay if I call him a scumbag? Sad

Well, I guess he's got as much right as Yushchenko had to challenge results he thinks are fraudulent ... not that I think he's got a leg to stand on, considering the vote margin and the thousands of election observers from around the world saying things went more fairly / regularly this time round ..
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Wed 29 Dec, 2004 01:21 pm
I shouldn't have posted that here. This thread contains one of the better discussions on A2K. Had I realized the conversation stopped there, I would have deleted it. Embarrassed
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 29 Dec, 2004 02:16 pm
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Today the Supreme Court of Ukraine dismissed without consideration the first complaint of Yanukovych (in total, they seem to be four).

The first knock-down for Yanukovych from the Supreme Court

Today the Supreme Court of Ukraine dismissed without consideration the first complaint of Yanukovych (in total, they seem to be four).

This was reported by the chief of the press service of the Supreme Court, Liana Shlaposhnikova.
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Lash
 
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Reply Wed 29 Dec, 2004 03:52 pm
I also, off the cuff, wouldn't preclude Yanukovich's right to contest the elecion--but if what we've heard is correct--there was widespread fraud with tens of witnesses over a vast area in the Nov election. Good cause for the Orange Revolution.

No such fraudulent behavior has been reported in this recent election. (Of course, Yanukovich and some supporters accuse--but no widespread reports and exit polling disparities, as with the Nov election.)

Still watching with interest.

I trust their courts will weed it out shortly.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Wed 29 Dec, 2004 05:31 pm
Watching - and waiting for my colleague from the Ukraine to get back to the office. I want to hear her stories.
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Lash
 
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Reply Wed 29 Dec, 2004 05:49 pm
Hope you'll share, ehBeth. I can't imagine what it must be like to experience times like these.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Wed 29 Dec, 2004 05:55 pm
It's a bizarrely exciting time. I'm waiting for N to get back with her news about the Ukraine election (and her observations). At the same time, I'm talking to my ex-colleagues who have lost family in Sri Lanka (Toronto has a very large Tamil community). One friend called today - a section of his extended family lost at least 20 members - parts of 4 generations that lived in two neighbouring houses.

from my favourite site h2g2 link
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Lash
 
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Reply Wed 29 Dec, 2004 09:24 pm
<Poked at your sight. Looks innersting.>
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Thu 30 Dec, 2004 11:47 am
Still waiting for N to return.
Getting anxious.

Interesting site - interesting times we live in.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 30 Dec, 2004 11:54 am
AP is reporting that Ukraine's Supreme Court has rejected all appeals by Prime Minister Viktor Yanukovych against Sunday's presidential revote, won by opposition leader Viktor Yushchenko.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 30 Dec, 2004 11:56 am
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Election commission rejects Yanukovych appeal

CTV.ca News Staff

Both the Ukrainian Supreme Court and the country's Central Election Commission have rejected complaints filed by Prime Minister Viktor Yanukovych over last Sunday's presidential runoff election.

The Supreme Court rejected found complaints filed by Yanukovych's team over alleged voting irregularities, refusing to even consider two of them.

"Two complaints were not considered because the proper time frame for submitting them was not respected," spokeswoman Liana Shlyaposhnikova said. "One was turned down because the demands submitted by the plaintiff were not clearly drawn up."

The Central Election Commission soon followed suit, dismissing Yanukovych's 27 volumes of complaints. He alleged that thousands of eligible voters, mainly disabled and sick, were blocked from casting their ballots.

"The Central Election Commission rules that the complaint by presidential candidate Viktor Yanukovych on irregularities ahead of voting will not be considered. The other parts of the complaint are also rejected," deputy CEC head Maryna Stavniychuk said. All 15 members backed the decision.

Now that the Supreme Court has rejected all of Yanukovych's complaints, they are cleared to declare Yushchenko the winner of the latest vote.

Yanukovych has been refusing to accept the results of the runoff vote in which pro-Western candidate Viktor Yushchenko scored a solid majority victory of more than two million votes.

Yanukovych has vowed to never concede defeat and is expected to continue to challenge the result, despite Thursday's developments.

Despite Yanukovych's protest, there were few reports of fraud in Sunday's voting, in sharp contrast to criticism over November's runoff vote.

But Yanukovych refuses to step down. He has dismissed a Dec. 1 parliamentary vote of no confidence which gives him a maximum of 60 days to resign.

"It is a matter of my principle not to submit a resignation," Yanukovych told reporters. "I know why they insist on that ... they are shivering with fear."
Ukrainian media reports Viktor Yanukovych may take a leave of absence, but the pro-Russian prime minister's team denies it, saying he'll continue in his role.

But, when it comes to official government work, Yanukovych said his finance minister and deputy prime minister were "directly in charge."

Yanukovych had been declared the winner of a second-round presidential vote on Nov. 21. But, when hundreds of thousands of Yushchenko supporters claimed electoral fraud during mass protests, the country's Supreme Court invalidated the result.

On Wednesday, Yushchenko's ally Yulia Tymoshenko, known for her radical stance, travelled to the eastern Ukrainian city of Donetsk, Yanukovych's hometown. She answered a series of hostile questions during a live television interview.

There are reports that Yushchenko will offer Tymoshenko the prime minister's job in his government. But Yushchenko denied it, saying on TV5, "It's too early to begin with names."

Tymoshenko has gained a reputation as a politician who delivers fiery rhetoric. Observers say giving her the job might exacerbate tension between the two sides.

With files from the Associated Press
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Lash
 
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Reply Fri 31 Dec, 2004 09:14 pm
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Fri 31 Dec, 2004 09:39 pm
Gotta feelin' this is just the end of the openin' game. The middle game is where it all happens. 'Bout all thats happened so far is both players have sacrificed a couple pawns to fully unmask their cardinal pieces. Remember - whatever shirt they're wearin', these players are at end Russians, and know and love chess. Stay tuned for further developments.
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nimh
 
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Reply Fri 31 Dec, 2004 11:21 pm
Lash wrote:
It's over.

Good news good news. Way to start the new year.

timberlandko wrote:
Gotta feelin' this is just the end of the openin' game. The middle game is where it all happens. 'Bout all thats happened so far is both players have sacrificed a couple pawns to fully unmask their cardinal pieces. Remember - whatever shirt they're wearin', these players are at end Russians, and know and love chess. Stay tuned for further developments.

Well, although the geostrategics around all this have been an interesting thing to see emerged momentarily in the open, there's also the pesky matter of the Ukrainian people fighting election fraud, restoring their power over the process, their ownership of their state - voting (in intent, if nothing else), for radical change - of a rarely precedented show of popular engagement and commitment in the country's democracy and, dare I say, the people's heroic success ... it's not all just the cynicisms of strategic chess players ...
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Lash
 
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Reply Fri 31 Dec, 2004 11:24 pm
<heart swells>
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Merry Andrew
 
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Reply Sat 1 Jan, 2005 09:31 am
timberlandko wrote:
Gotta feelin' this is just the end of the openin' game. The middle game is where it all happens. 'Bout all thats happened so far is both players have sacrificed a couple pawns to fully unmask their cardinal pieces. Remember - whatever shirt they're wearin', these players are at end Russians, and know and love chess. Stay tuned for further developments.


I greatly fear that you're right, Timber. It ain't over til it's over. And Putin's not the type to just resign from a chess game.
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Lash
 
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Reply Sat 1 Jan, 2005 02:57 pm
I guess I'm not sure what we're categorizing as over or not over.

The election is over. Surely, geopolitical wrangling of all kinds in all locations will go on as long as humans inhabit the earth.

Are any of you suggesting that Yuschenko will not be sworn in?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 6 Jan, 2005 04:00 pm
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White House Withholds Ukraine Recognition

Thursday January 6, 2005


WASHINGTON (AP) - The Bush administration is withholding recognition of pro-Western Viktor Yushchenko as Ukraine's new president until all complaints and challenges filed by his opponent are resolved by the country's central election commission.

Even after Ukraine's Supreme Court on Thursday rejected opponent Viktor Yanukovych's appeal of the run-off election Dec. 26 that Yushchenko carried, the State Department said it was not ready to recognize Yushchenko as the new president.

Despite the court's ruling, the election commission still has not certified final results, said the department's deputy spokesman, Adam Ereli. ``Until it does, we are really not in a position to comment on the final results of the election,'' Ereli said.
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Thu 6 Jan, 2005 04:44 pm
"I do not have a dog in this fight! See!" George Bush
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