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Can thier be a reduction of Pornography...

 
 
Reply Fri 19 Nov, 2004 06:20 pm
The question should read:

Can thier be a reduction in pornography with the common Christian conception of sex and self image?

After studying the New Testament (Paul in particular) and St. Augustine - I started to see a correlation. The body is evil.

St. Paul is obsessed with sin. He killed Christians for a living when younger so I can see why. He talks about how he knows how to do right - he knows what is right - but he is compelled to sin. He concludes it must be something in him that causes this sin. This he reads all the way back into Adam and Eve's Felix Culpa by saying that the wages of sin are death.

St. Augustine, also obsessed with sin due to his pre-christian sexual relations and other things, continues on this concept that sin is something of the body and not the soul. Sin has two components Ignorance and Concupiscience (wrong desire). He goes so far as to say that infants are born sinful and hate but lack the strength to do something about it.

This concept of sin (sin of the flesh) leads the Catholic church to condemn any sexual act outside of marriage and even go so far as to mandate positions of sexuals acts during certain historical edicts.

I have to believe, since the Roman Catholic Empire was the ONLY system of education for 1300 years in the western world that this concept of sex was disseminated to all of the western worlds ancestory.

This leads, often, to a very prudish and restrictive outcome in most American households that sex is something that goes on, no one talks about it public, with the lights out and are ashamed of. In Texas the state mandated system of sex ed is optional and only allows abstainence to be taught. I heard on AM radio (at 4 in the afternoon) that anything else is a homosexual adjenda and should be removed from the public schools. THe thought went - that anything but abstenence was considred deviant and the agenda of homosexuals. (but I digress).

With this view of sex and the current emphasis on morality (it decides elections now more than ever) is the Christian desire to lessen the amount of pornography in America - wouldn't it be more efficient if it removed the stigma around sex, increased awareness of healthy sex, and improved the body image and self esteem of its young men and women?

It just seems to me that there is a direct correlation between what we think of our bodies, what we think of sex, and how much people are willing to be treated the way people are treated in pornographic publications.

I have to think that the self image of our youth has a lot to do with the most predominant religious system in America.

Thoughts?

TTF
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cavfancier
 
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Reply Fri 19 Nov, 2004 06:40 pm
I have no issues here to argue TTF. I'm with you on this one.
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thethinkfactory
 
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Reply Fri 19 Nov, 2004 06:52 pm
Wow... really. Cool I might have said something that makes sense!

TF
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Thu 25 Nov, 2004 10:57 am
Actually...the question should read: "Should there be a reduction...

...but that would be quibbling.

I think there could be a reduction in the amount of pornography available...

...but I would be willing to bet everything I own or can borrow that there will be more tomorrow and more the day after that and more the day after that...and so on.
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binnyboy
 
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Reply Fri 3 Dec, 2004 06:53 pm
Wonder what would porn be like if we were nudists... Embarrassed they have a positive body image right? Smile just curious
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thethinkfactory
 
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Reply Fri 3 Dec, 2004 08:16 pm
I think your quibbling is in the wrong direction Frank. The question I have posed is a scientific question. Can there be a reduction in pornography (which Christianity wants) when Christianity seems to be contributing to it?

This is outside the Ethical question 'Should there be a reduction...'.

I think you and I are on the same side on this one - I think Religion is hurting others (in this case) and hurting thier own cause in a way that they cannot see.

TF
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sat 4 Dec, 2004 04:27 am
Well, TF, I am hoping that there is a reduction in pornography myself. The cost is reasonable...but it certainly could easily be lower.

Although I suspect I may be on the wrong track once again. :wink:
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Sat 4 Dec, 2004 04:57 am
thethinkfactory- I think that I understand what you are getting at. Christianity has not been very positive when it comes to the pleasures of the flesh. Like children who want something especially because mommy says, "NO", people are attracted to something which is considered sinful.

If I am reading you correctly, your thesis is that the church, by its attitudes, is actually promoting pornography. I agree. But let's look at this in another way.

What is a very efficient way to control people? Through guilt. Sell people a bill of goods that something is sinful, and they will lust for it all the more. Then they will feel guilty about it, but still want it, and you have them "hooked". Neat and efficient.
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thethinkfactory
 
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Reply Sat 4 Dec, 2004 11:10 am
See Phoenix - I hear your argument - but I don't think the church is that smart.

St. Paul, St. Augustine, and others that are the philosophical founders of the Roman Catholic Empire - simply hated themsleves because of thier 'previous' lives. Paul - a Christian killer, and Augustine - a womanizer were so afraid of going to hell for thier sins that they came up with this idea that the body was the seat of sin.

Now, I think the church used it because it worked - but I don't think they invented it for control. You are giving way to much credit to people that sold indulgences and had kids as popes and caused the severe weakening of thier own monopoly on Christianity and tithing.

TTF
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cavfancier
 
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Reply Sat 4 Dec, 2004 11:30 am
binnyboy wrote:
Wonder what would porn be like if we were nudists... Embarrassed they have a positive body image right? Smile just curious


We would most likely watch movies of Amish people erecting barns. They would be very taboo, as the Amish are not fond of technology, and therefore, not fond of being filmed. Everything would be a bootleg, and sold at highly inflated prices.

Now, I still agree that if the Church promoted a little less self-hatred when it comes to body image and sex, the desire for porn could possibly be reduced. It could also, theoretically, decrease prostitution, and the number of closeted men who marry women, and then cruise for boys in their off-time.

While it doesn't directly address the relationship between "sexual pessimism" and pornography, Lawrence Osborne's book "The Poisoned Embrace: A Brief History of Sexual Pessimism" is a cracking good read.
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