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South America balking at terror war

 
 
Reply Thu 18 Nov, 2004 12:43 pm
"In Latin America, there are no terrorists - only hunger and unemployment and delinquents who turn to crime. What are we going to do, hit you with a banana?"

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S. America balking at terror war

By Bruce Finley
Denver Post Staff Writer


Quito, Ecuador - A U.S. push to expand the war on terrorism in partnership with Latin America is proving difficult.

Defense chiefs from Brazil, Argentina and Chile this week balked at mobilizing armed forces in that cause.

And from mothers on the street to well-connected activists in office suites, U.S. military overtures sparked suspicion.

The efforts U.S. officials propose are a veiled attempt "to consolidate control" over Ecuador's water and oil, said Gen. Rene Vargas, a former head of Ecuador's armed forces, an ex-congressman and now a political player.

"In Latin America, there are no terrorists - only hunger and unemployment and delinquents who turn to crime. What are we going to do, hit you with a banana?"

U.S. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld made a high- level pitch for concerted action Wednesday morning at a meeting here of defense ministers from 33 countries.

Latin American "terrorists, drug traffickers, hostage takers and criminal gangs form an anti-social combination that increasingly seeks to destabilize civil societies," Rumsfeld told his counterparts.

"These enemies often find shelter in border regions and areas beyond the effective reach of governments. ... They (seek) seams in our collective security arrangements that they can exploit. No one nation can meet these new challenges alone."

President Bush may weigh in when he visits Chile on Saturday for an economic summit and then Colombia, where U.S.-backed forces have battled drug-financed rebels in a 40- year civil war.

U.S. military planners say smugglers easily could move weapons or terrorists from Latin America into the United States. They say anti-Israel terrorist groups Hamas and Hezbollah have raised funds in South America. Lawless areas in Ecuador and elsewhere, they say, could give terrorists a base.

But as Rumsfeld pressed for nations to cooperate militarily, anti-U.S. sentiments simmered.

In Chile on Wednesday, students protested Bush's impending visit.

In Ecuador on Tuesday, hundreds of mothers and toddlers gathered, calling for more attention to children.

"They need health and school," said Rocio Naranjo, 30, a mother of three who tries to support them by selling lemons on the street.

Rally organizer Marco Guaman questioned U.S. terrorism warnings. "We don't believe in all this," he said. "The United States always uses us."

A cabbie driving away from the scene, 63-year-old Galo Perez, who has grandchildren in the United States, said Bush officials are pushing to broaden the terrorism war to "sell more weapons."

Latin American leaders assembled here - who receive growing amounts of U.S. military assistance - discussed emphasis and tactics, military versus diplomatic methods to combat terrorism.

"The only way to fight terrorism is to increase democracy," Brazilian Vice President Jose Alencar said in an interview. "The cause of terrorism is not just fundamentalism but misery and hunger. Developed countries must help less-developed countries."

He said Rumsfeld "agreed that some actions against social problems must be improved."

In a speech Wednesday, Alencar said arms trafficking, central to any global terrorist threat, will persist "if the highly armed powers do not take measures toward disarmament."

Chile's defense minister, Jaime Ravinet, said the United Nations "is the only forum with international legitimacy to act globally on security issues."

Chile and others opposed the U.S. invasion of Iraq.

Argentina's defense minister, Jose Pampurro, said police and military forces in his country will cooperate in information- sharing against terrorism, within the limits of laws that bar military involvement in civilian affairs.

Gen. Julio Hang, a member of Argentina's delegation, said that mobilizing forces against terrorism is not a top priority.

"Today, we are very good at taking care of our borders," Hang said. "Terrorism is a concern but not a top priority."

Fueling suspicions, Navy and Coast Guard vessels patrolling the eastern Pacific earlier this year sank at least eight Ecuadoran boats that U.S. officials said were involved in smuggling. Disputes over what happened have gone as high as the Ecuadorian presidency.

"Now, I can't work," said Manual Santana, 53, who contends his boat, blown up March 3 near the Galapagos Islands, carried "only fishermen." Human-rights workers advocating for those who lost boats say these incidents enraged many people.

Even U.S. humanitarian projects face suspicion.

Last year, military forces planned storage facilities for disaster relief supplies around the country in case one of Ecuador's many active volcanoes erupts. But charges that the facilities would be operating bases for U.S. military forces blocked construction.

U.S. officials say they are trying to be sensitive in pushing for a broader war on terrorism.

Flanked by palace soldiers wearing uniforms from the early 1800s - when liberation leader Simon Bolivar's forces fought Spanish rulers - Rumsfeld assured Ecuadorian journalists that "the role that Ecuador should play is the role that Ecuador decides is important."

Each country here "has a different perspective," said Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense Rogelio Pardo-Maurer, the top Pentagon official for Western Hemisphere affairs. "You cannot tell any country how to do it."
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australia
 
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Reply Sat 11 Dec, 2004 06:54 am
You would never get muslim terrorists in South America. They have their own terrorists and guerillas to contend with. Muslim terrorists wuld not last a minute with some of the guerilla groups in colombia.
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Sat 11 Dec, 2004 11:02 am
The fact is there are already numerous terrorist movements in Latin America, and some of the people quoted in the article, particularly those from Ecuador are likely spokesmen for them. Indeed in the central and northern tiers of the Latin American republics, this is one of the chief obstacles to their progress. The audience would have been very wise to take Rumsfield's warnings seriously - as I believe many of them did (though this reporter was not among them).

The history of the Latin American republics is now nearly two centuries old. It is one marred by social and economic stratification and injustice; mutual suspicion and inability to form cooperative relations in the region; and a collective agreement that unseen enemies, chiefly in the United States, but also occasionally in Europe, are the cause for all their troubles. As long as they remain in the grip of such immature fantasies they will remain as they are.
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Craven de Kere
 
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Reply Sat 11 Dec, 2004 02:12 pm
It might also help if nations such as the United States did not occasionally lend reality to said "fantasy".
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Sat 11 Dec, 2004 03:06 pm
Craven de Kere wrote:
It might also help if nations such as the United States did not occasionally lend reality to said "fantasy".


Occasionally, perhaps. However the fact of it pales in comparison to the fantasy. It is the fantasy that holds these countries back from seriously dealing with their problems.
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Craven de Kere
 
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Reply Sun 12 Dec, 2004 02:29 pm
Reality, by its nature, always pales in comparison to fantasy.
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australia
 
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Reply Mon 13 Dec, 2004 05:19 am
The cold war's battlefields was latin america, not europe. Argentina, Chile, El salvador, Nicaragua, Brazil, Colombia were all battles between the left and the right. The US pumped money into right wing dictatorships while Russia pumped money into radical socialists. The result was a lot of latin american deaths.
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Mon 13 Dec, 2004 05:34 am
australia wrote:
The cold war's battlefields was latin america, not europe. Argentina, Chile, El salvador, Nicaragua, Brazil, Colombia were all battles between the left and the right. The US pumped money into right wing dictatorships while Russia pumped money into radical socialists. The result was a lot of latin american deaths.


A nice simple explanation. There is even an instance or two in which some of the facts fit this mold. However this is neither an accurate nor a complete description of the essential nature of the internal political conflicts in Latin Americq over the last several decades. There were many other factors of greater significance operating in all of this.
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australia
 
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Reply Mon 13 Dec, 2004 05:38 am
I know that. I can't summarise the "essential nature of the internal political conflicts in latin america" in 4 lines.

Don't be so pedantic!!
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Mon 13 Dec, 2004 05:58 am
Not pedantic at all. You were wrong.

You characterized the history of Latin America incorrectly. Latin America was at most a backwater in the Cold War - hardly the "battlefield", as you stated. There were numerous internal factors operating in all of the countries you listed (except perhaps Nicaragua) of far greater significance than the U.S. Soviet rivalry - and all of them have origins that predate the Cold War by a very long time..
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australia
 
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Reply Mon 13 Dec, 2004 08:44 pm
Why was it a backwater? What is your definition of backwater? Millions of people died in latin america, due the cold war and associated matters.
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Duke of Lancaster
 
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Reply Mon 28 Feb, 2005 03:18 am
australia wrote:
You would never get muslim terrorists in South America. They have their own terrorists and guerillas to contend with. Muslim terrorists wuld not last a minute with some of the guerilla groups in colombia.


Yea, I last heard that the guerilla in Colombia are killing the black people to make more room for them.
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