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Wed 7 Jun, 2017 10:20 pm
In todays politics there are constant opinion polls taken on various political topics. Many of these opinion polls are broken down by three voting blocks. Republican, Democrat, and Independent. My question is who or what is an Independent?
@Real Music,
It is a registered voter that hasn't declared a party affiliation. In many states, that means they can't vote in the primaries of either party.
@roger,
Quote:It is a registered voter that hasn't declared a party affiliation. In many states, that means they can't vote in the primaries of either party.
Yes that is the literal definition.
Are independent voters liberal, conservative, progressive, left, right, in the middle, moderate, far left, far right, socially conservative, socially liberal, fiscally conservative, fiscally liberal, or something else?
@Real Music,
Maybe fed up with existing parties. Maybe just confused.
@Real Music,
It means I don't identify with any party...but after that Russia hoax, the Comey thing, Hillary's corrupt ways...I fully identify with Republicans/conservatives, especially when Obama did the travel ban 6 times under his presidency and yet, I didn't see all these airports get in a rage about it the way they're trying to delegitimize Trump. Conservatives/Republicans are more tolerant of different thinking people than the left are.
If this is the way one will be treated just because I don't think like a liberal, no thanks and not my party.
Full conservative/Republican.
@puzzling,
I ask the question who or what is an independent voter, because I believe true independents are a very small percentage of the voting public. At least that's my observation. Through my personal observation (virtually) all of the voters who called themselves independents are not truly independents. Through my observation most people who call themselves independents are actually independent democrats or independent republicans.
@puzzling,
Quote:after that Russia hoax, the Comey thing, Hillary's corrupt ways...I fully identify with Republicans/conservatives, especially when Obama did the travel ban 6 times under his presidency and yet, I didn't see all these airports get in a rage about it the way they're trying to delegitimize Trump. Conservatives/Republicans are more tolerant of different thinking people than the left are.
If this is the way one will be treated just because I don't think like a liberal, no thanks and not my party.
Full conservative/Republican.
I disagree with what you have posted. But, what you have posted does support my claims that most people who call themselves independents are not truly independents. You used the word
"after". What were you before? Based on your post, I would conclude that you were never truly an independent. You were probably always a republican, even if you were calling yourself an independent. By the way I am a democrat.
@puzzling,
When I moved to Albuquerque, I signed up as Independent, as I took myself as more left than a lot of Democrats, probably bottom of the barrel's left side but not a crazed troublemaker. I quickly got over that self evaluation so I can vote in the primaries. I guess I was working on distinguishing myself - in my mind - from mild democrats, people who have a general gist but don't spend a lot of time reading or helping out.
@ossobucotemp,
Quote:When I moved to Albuquerque, I signed up as Independent, as I took myself as more left than a lot of Democrats
Some people have this
misconception that independents are politically in the middle. True independents who don't consider themselves as left or right are probably a tiny percentage of voters. People who call themselves independents are often far left or far right.
@Real Music,
I'll agree. But, only the Phantom knows..
*old radio program
@Real Music,
Quote:Through my personal observation (virtually) all of the voters who called themselves independents are not truly independents.
I believe you are making way too much of the term, "independent". In this context it merely means that a voter is not enrolled in a political party. Of course they will vote for a Republican or a Democrat at times but that doesn't mean they wholeheartedly endorse one party or the other. It probably means there were only two candidates running and one candidate was deemed marginally acceptable.
@Real Music,
An informed voter that votes on polecy not on parties.
@Fil Albuquerque,
Quote:An informed voter that votes on policy not on parties.
I don't necessarily believe that to be true. I consider myself to be an informed voter. Voting on policy is for the most part synonymous with voting on political parties. Each political party has their own platform detailing their policy beliefs. Each of the political parties candidates for the most part share the beliefs of their party's platform. If an individual voter for the most part believe in a party's platform, it makes sense to vote for that party.
So, in reality voting on parties is pretty much the same as voting on policy. If for the most part an individual voter believe in policies on the left, it would make no sense for that individual to vote for
any candidate or political party on the right. If an individual voter for the most part believe in policies on the right, it would make no sense for that individual to vote for
any candidate or political party on the left.
@hightor,
Quote:In this context it merely means that a voter is not enrolled in a political party. Of course they will vote for a Republican or a Democrat at times but that doesn't mean they wholeheartedly endorse one party or the other. It probably means there were only two candidates running and one candidate was deemed marginally acceptable.
Yes, I agree with you. I'm just making a point based on my personal observation. That point being that (virtually) every voter is really on the left or really on the right regardless of what they may call themselves. Through my personal observation there is only a very small percentage of voters who can truly say that they are neither on the left or the right. I've observed that it is rare to find a voter who is all over the political spectrum. Far left on some policies, far right on some policies, center right on some policies, center left on some policies, in the middle on some policies. In other words, it is super rare to find someone who is truly independent, regardless of what they call themselves.
Some have referred to me as an independent voter.
Since the start, I have looked at each candidate and made my decision based on who I figured could and would do the best job. When in comes to Presidential elections, I went from Carter in '76 to Anderson in '80, then Mondale, followed by Dukakis, then Clinton, then skipped '96 because neither Dole nor Clinton seemed right, went with George W. In 2000 & 2004, missed '08 as I was in the start of a health issue, 2012 I was at a loss again, but leaned in on a third party, 2016 I skipped as I live in a Hillary state and my vote would not change that outcome and there was no way I'd vote for Trump. I had liked Sanders, still pissed that the Dems played games and made sure nobody would disturb Hillary's road to the White House. (So we didn't gets chance at Biden either).
Other items: in the '76 primaries I was a supporter of Frank Church and in '92 my support went towards Paul Tsongas. My first registration as a voter was Conservative, a short time later, I switched to Democrat. This was not so much because I hold their platform in high regard, but, rather it was because it offers some leverage and say in the primaries of each race (president, senator, congressman, governor, mayor, locals).
Again, I vote for a candidate and have never yet voted for a particular party all the way from top to bottom on a ticket. So, independent or not? Some say yes, some aren't so sure.
@Real Music,
Real Music wrote:True independents who don't consider themselves as left or right are probably a tiny percentage of voters. People who call themselves independents are often far left or far right.
Well, by British standards I consider myself an independent right now and am so because my views lie between those of the two major parties. By American standards I'm solidly a Democrat.
I identified mostly as a Democrat, despite the fact I did not like Kennedy and Johnson. Reagan made me yearn even more for a Democrat and so I enthusiastically voted for Bill Clinton. By the end of his first term I was disillusioned. The guy is a Republican in blue. By the end of Obama's terms, I was still more disillusioned. At that point, the Democrats had lost most state and federal positions and as he stepped from the scene, the Republicans owned virtually all of government. And the Democrats had the audacity to strong arm the primaries to make sure there was no real contest where the liberals and Bernie Sanders were concerned. It had become obvious that the Democrats are as much vassals of big money as Republicans. I finally made the break from the Democrats as I had done long ago with the other party. In Texas one does not have to register with a party to vote. I could vote either party if I so choose. If a liberal does not get nominated in the next presidential election, I will once again vote third party.
@Real Music,
They are either mainly liberal or mainly conservative but want to preserve a conceit that they are
independent
The only people I can imagine who warrant the independent label are libertarians whose views may be considered both liberal and conservative.
@Real Music,
I am registered as an independent, and I am a liberal. However, if you are looking for a group definition of the political views of independents, you are out of luck. Independents are individuals, each with a personal views. While there may be a tendency towards one side or the other, no one can speak for all.