When value judgments become actual experiences

Reply Sat 1 Apr, 2017 06:56 am
When I, for example, experience depression (hopelessness) and misery due to a traumatic life event, then it being the most horrible quality of experience for me is a literal statement here. The word "horrible" does not seem like a value judgment (label) at all being applied to this experience. It does not seem like nothing more than a word being applied to the experience. Rather, it is the experience itself. To say that this is nonsense would be very dismissive because we don't know everything about how the brain works. The brain could work in such a way that qualities of experience that were once deemed as mere value judgments are actual experiences.
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Fil Albuquerque
Reply Sat 1 Apr, 2017 03:09 pm
Value judgements are done UPON actual experiences.
Reply Sat 1 Apr, 2017 09:18 pm
@Fil Albuquerque,
Yes, I already get that. You have an experience and you judge it. We can, for example, use the terms apples and oranges. But these would not be value judgments. They would refer to the apples and oranges themselves. It doesn't matter if we redefined the apples and oranges as being, for example, kiwis and pineapples. All you did here was simply changed the terms. However, the properties still remain the same. The orange itself is still a fruit abundant with citric acid, it is still a soft fruit, etc. Changing the terms did not change these properties. It did not change these apples and oranges into kiwis and pineapples.

This same concept would also apply to the good value, bad value, worth, joy, misery, etc. in our lives. You can define any experience you have without your pleasant and unpleasant feelings as being the experience of real value and worth in your life, but that did not change the properties these feelings actually have. It did not change the quality of experience these feelings have. These feelings, as I stated before, have a quality of experience to them that give real value, real worth, real joy, real suffering, etc. to your life.

Therefore, it didn't matter that you redefined a certain experience in your life without your good feelings as a quality of experience that gives your life real good value and real worth, such an experience still possesses a devoid quality. It is no different than trying to redefine the harmful and cruel acts of a sociopath who has no empathy whatsoever as being acts of empathy. This sociopath does not have the characteristics ("properties") that would deem him/her the quality of empathetic.
Fil Albuquerque
Reply Sun 2 Apr, 2017 07:16 am
You know...what defines "things" is the information in them and in relation to other stuff...value judgments are about the ORDER of the information.
Reply Mon 3 Apr, 2017 01:28 am
@Fil Albuquerque,
Fil Albuquerque wrote:

You know...what defines "things" is the information in them and in relation to other stuff...value judgments are about the ORDER of the information.

...or the use of the information, and/or the use of the "thing"?
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