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Officer stabbed at UK Parliament; report of car rampage

 
 
izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 24 Mar, 2017 01:58 am
@saab,
You're right, people who have moved away from the community, become disillusioned and are open to someone else telling them what to think. Those who attend the Mosque regularly, don't fall for jihadist bullshit.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 24 Mar, 2017 02:03 am
@Walter Hinteler,
It's also the home of Mr Khan.

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Builder
 
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Reply Fri 24 Mar, 2017 03:02 am
@izzythepush,
Quote:
Jihadi terrorist offences were unknown in Britain until the disastrous and illegal war in Iraq.


That needs repeating.

Social media is all like WTF are these people doing this for??

Basic law of cause and effect.
oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 24 Mar, 2017 03:35 am
@Builder,
Builder wrote:
Basic law of cause and effect.

No. Bush is not responsible for Muslims who decide to run around massacring innocent people.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 24 Mar, 2017 03:49 am
@saab,
Curious how you consider my polite posts to be trolling, but other people's polite posts are still fine to reply to.

(Leftists should always be called out on their dishonorable acts. Doing so helps to curb the worst of their bad behavior.)
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 24 Mar, 2017 09:32 am
Information coming to light about the terrorist. Fitting a pattern, petty criminal, violent thug trying to give some meaning to his rather pointless existence.

Quote:
The man police say was responsible for the Westminster attack has been formally identified as 52-year-old Khalid Masood.

He is believed to have had at least three children.

The Metropolitan Police says he was born as Adrian Russell Ajao - but the story appears to be more confusing still, because of a string of alternative names or aliases he used.

He was entered onto the birth registry in the Dartford district of Kent as Adrian Russell Elms, in the weeks after he was born on Christmas Day 1964.
Masood's first conviction came when he was 18 years old, in November 1983, for criminal damage.

In 2000, when he was living in Northiam in East Sussex, the then Adrian Elms was jailed for two years after admitting attacking a man with a knife following a row in a pub.
He lost his temper with Piers Mott, with the local press reporting that Elms slashed him on his face, leaving an 8cm gash on his left cheek.

Mr Mott has since died, but his widow Heather recalled the incident and said: "My husband was defending someone who was working for him.

"I don't know how it happened. Piers was just defending this guy."

The trial heard that Elms had reacted to racist provocation and had been ostracised in his village.

In 2003 - after leaving prison and moving to Eastbourne - he was back in court.

He was convicted of possession of a knife, after being initially charged with stabbing a 22-year-old man. He was then returned to prison for another six months.

In total, he was held at three different jails - HMP Lewes, Waylands, and Ford.
Masood has never been convicted of a terrorism offence and the prime minister told Parliament he had not been subject of any current investigations.

However, Mrs May added that "some years ago" he was "once investigated in relation to concerns about violent extremism".

She went on: "He was a peripheral figure [in that investigation]. The case is historic - he was not part of the current intelligence picture. There was no prior intelligence of his intent - or of the plot."

We don't know at this stage what that particular investigation was and how he was connected to it.

Here are just some of the possibilities of what that could mean:
◾He was an associate or friend of a main suspect who was being monitored in some form - but turned out, at the time, to not apparently have any extremist leanings
◾He could have been closer to an inner circle of aspiring extremists - but he personally was not considered to be a risk and so the operation was focused on others
◾There could have been more concerning intelligence about his ideology and intent - but there was nothing that could make a criminal charge - and in time he was discounted as a serious threat
◾He could, at the highest end, have been arrested in the past as part of an operation and later released without charge.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39373766
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Blickers
 
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Reply Fri 24 Mar, 2017 10:52 am
Judging by his name, he is not of Middle Eastern heritage at all. He seems to be an average Brit who converted to radical Islam.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 24 Mar, 2017 11:25 am
@Blickers,
He's a petty criminal and a thug with an axe to grind because of perceived racism and the amount of time he's spent in prison. Jihadism was a convenient vehicle for his frustrations and desire to be noticed.

He was an arsehole long before he'd even heard of Islam.

But you're right, immigrants had nothing to do with this.
Builder
 
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Reply Fri 24 Mar, 2017 04:39 pm
Corporate media are quick to claim that ISIS is to blame.

oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 24 Mar, 2017 05:02 pm
@Blickers,
Blickers wrote:
Judging by his name, he is not of Middle Eastern heritage at all. He seems to be an average Brit who converted to radical Islam.

Radical Muslims will massacre innocents no matter what their ethnicity.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 24 Mar, 2017 05:03 pm
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:
Jihadism was a convenient vehicle for his frustrations and desire to be noticed.
He was an arsehole long before he'd even heard of Islam.

Maybe so, but radical Islam still resulted in the slaughter of innocents.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 24 Mar, 2017 05:04 pm
@Builder,
Builder wrote:
Corporate media are quick to claim that ISIS is to blame.

They're right to do so.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 24 Mar, 2017 05:08 pm
@Builder,
Not as quick as IS.

It was an arsehole acting on his own, end of. ISIS couldn't organise anything right now.
centrox
 
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Reply Fri 24 Mar, 2017 05:29 pm
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:
It was an arsehole acting on his own, end of. ISIS couldn't organise anything right now.

Politically, it was a major incident, a terrorist attack, but in terms of casualties, if it was a car thief high on coke running down pedestrians like in Penge a few months back, it would on Page 2 of the Evening Standard along with a bus crash in Ealing and a gas explosion in Cockfosters. . You have such a thing as security theatre, flags at half mast, Trump says some bullshit, etc. The July 2005 Tube & bus bombings were correctly termed, not Britain's 9/11, but rather Britain's Columbine. That is, home-grown.



Builder
 
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Reply Fri 24 Mar, 2017 05:39 pm
@centrox,
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That is, home-grown.


Agreed, and the whole "war on terror" propaganda campaign in the corporate media is equally to blame.

oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 24 Mar, 2017 10:49 pm
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:
Not as quick as IS.
It was an arsehole acting on his own, end of. ISIS couldn't organise anything right now.

They don't have to be able to organize it. All they need to do is inspire it.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 24 Mar, 2017 10:50 pm
@centrox,
centrox wrote:
The July 2005 Tube & bus bombings were correctly termed, not Britain's 9/11, but rather Britain's Columbine. That is, home-grown.

Actually those attacks were from al-Qa'ida.

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/04/30/world/al-qaeda-documents-london-bombings/
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oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 24 Mar, 2017 10:51 pm
@Builder,
Builder wrote:
Agreed, and the whole "war on terror" propaganda campaign in the corporate media is equally to blame.

Hardly a propaganda campaign. We really are at war.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 25 Mar, 2017 04:15 am
@centrox,
Compare the calm, dignified way Londoners went about their business with the hysterics of right wing idiots outside the country. Politically they've got a vested interest in fear.

On The Last Leg last night they said not to think about the one idiot who did this, but the hundreds of people who went to help, a lot of them running towards the sounds before they were even aware of what happened.
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centrox
 
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Reply Sat 25 Mar, 2017 04:54 am
Disgusting to see Nigel Farage selling out London and Londoners for Fox News' (and Trump's) thirty pieces of silver. I think (I hope) this will rebound on him badly. I think maybe Americans don't realise how widely despised he was already, before this.
 

 
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