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Lords defeat government over rights of EU citizens in UK

 
 
Reply Wed 1 Mar, 2017 03:11 pm
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/01/lords-defeat-government-over-rights-of-eu-citizens-in-uk-brexit-bill

Being a long time Californian, I'm the wrong person to start this thread, but .. I'm very interested, so I'm speeding it to the fore. I'll try to be relatively quiet, at least for me.

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centrox
 
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Reply Wed 1 Mar, 2017 03:16 pm
I am torn two ways about this. I applaud the action of the House of Lords, but I do not like the fact that the chamber is unelected. It is better since it was reformed and the right of hereditary peers to sit was abolished, but even so I would rather have an elected second chamber.

They can only hold up legislation, they can't prevent it. However, this does send a message.
ossobucotemp
 
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Reply Wed 1 Mar, 2017 03:33 pm
@centrox,
Thanks (oh, see, I'm talking already).
Yep, to your first.
I'll worry re the message somehow not working.
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Reply Wed 1 Mar, 2017 04:44 pm
I think it needs mentioning that two thirds of the electorate (i.e. those with a vote) took part in the referendum, and the vote was very close, 52% Leave - 48% Remain. That means very slightly over one-third voted leave, and very slightly under one-third voted remain. I don't call that 'democracy' in a decisive sense. When a 52% Remain - 48% Leave result was predicted in polls before the vote, the UKIP leader said such a close result would make it 'undemocratic' not have a second referendum. I notice they are silent about that now. So the whole issue is very contentious indeed. Many of us feel we have lived through a 21st century version of a fascist coup d'├ętat, just like the one in the USA. So hurray for the Lords, and (maybe) hurray for Tony Blair.
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