@layman,
Thanks for your reply layman.
Quote:Is your question about the absolute "origin" of morality?
Close. I would substitute "'good' and 'bad'" for "morality". And to be clear I'm concerned about the origins of 'good' and 'bad'
according to Nietzsche.
The terms he uses, "noble" and "priest" in particular, suggest he would draw the metaphorical line at early civilization. But surely Nietzsche would admit that "good" and "bad" began long before that?
Quote:I think Fred would say that it originates with values that are life and growth enhancing.
Perfect. You're alluding to something pre-civilizational, perhaps even pre-social? Does Nietzsche ever make the same allusion? Even better, does he ever say it clearly?
Quote:Masters (aka nobility) have existed from the beginning of socialization and civilization, as have slaves.
I agree. But you can see how the very terms he uses, "noble" / "master", intended to explain the origin of our concept of "good", bring us back to a civilizational context.
I want to say that "good" and "bad" began long before human civilization (and perhaps even socialization).
Would Nietzsche agree? Did ever allude to this? Even better, is there a passage where he acknowledges this in (relative) detail?
I'm still new to Nietzsche so perhaps as I continue reading I will discover such a passage. Maybe then I'll be on a first name basis with the great man.