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Sick of pointless questions just designed to waste your time? There's a word for it, sealioning.

 
 
Reply Tue 31 Jan, 2017 04:52 am
Any of this sound familiar?

https://scontent-lht6-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/s600x600/16388297_10154422467073458_7197414773997527703_n.jpg?oh=f4a0f3b70b0406686c4c875ed10e42ff&oe=590FBEB7

https://scontent-lht6-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/16195927_10154422467093458_46399130530334491_n.jpg?oh=7b488027ddf5b6b915713f5ec0c7a85e&oe=59022240

https://scontent-lht6-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/16298863_10154422467108458_5666542465574029529_n.jpg?oh=4efc68de47f532a516dfc718fc8d54fa&oe=5943A1E7

Sorry about the different sizes, this is how I got it.
 
ossobucotemp
 
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Reply Tue 31 Jan, 2017 09:53 am
I hadn't heard the word for it, but the process is one I sure do recognize.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 31 Jan, 2017 10:29 am
@ossobucotemp,
I hadn't heard of it either until the kid read it out to me yesterday, and said that it sounded like just the sort of nonsense I'd been dealing with on A2K. Now there's a name for it we can call them out.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Tue 31 Jan, 2017 10:38 am
That's handy.

I wonder about a few recently returned posters. Who suggested they come back here to be part of this sealioning?
izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 31 Jan, 2017 10:44 am
@ehBeth,
I wouldn't know about that, but it sounds highly likely. I'm not going to mention names here, but next time one of the usual suspects does it I will call them out.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Tue 31 Jan, 2017 10:53 am
This is why I don't respond endlessly to certain posters and even have most such on ignore. I never heard that term before, but I first noticed the technique in conversations with a shipmate, in the 1960s, long before the internet.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 31 Jan, 2017 10:57 am
@edgarblythe,
It's good to have a word for it though. Saves a lot of unnecessary explaining to other more neutral posters who don't know the sealioner's track record.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Tue 31 Jan, 2017 12:00 pm
@izzythepush,
If I can just keep it in my vocabulary.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 31 Jan, 2017 01:29 pm
@edgarblythe,
If it keeps happening it will be up there with ad hominem.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Tue 31 Jan, 2017 01:38 pm
@izzythepush,
And talk of cheese.
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Blickers
 
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Reply Tue 31 Jan, 2017 03:34 pm
I'm going to play Devil's Advocate.
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Sealioning is the name given to a specific, pervasive form of aggressive and willfully intentional cluelessness, that masquerades as a sincere desire to understand.

A Sealion is someone who, when confronted with a fact that they don't care to acknowledge, asy, the persistence of systemic racism in America, will ask endlessly for "proof" and insist that it is the other person's job to stop everything they are doing and address the issue to their satisfaction.


This Sealion label can applied to anyone who challenges your basic assumptions. What if a poster says that it's "common knowledge" that Bill and Hillary Clinton had over 25 people killed on their way up? Are you out of line to insist on some credible proof of that? Remember, in some segments of America that smear is believed to be true. I don't see anything wrong with challenging basic assumptions, and also challenging the quality of proof a poster puts forward.

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The purpose of Sealioning is never to actually learn or become more informed.

Okay, but a lot of threads on A2K are not about desire to learn but about one poster putting forth a statement or hypothesis and expecting it to be discussed and/or challenged. I don't see anything wrong with two or more posters of opposing viewpoints putting forth their evidence against each other, and saying why their evidence is better than the opponent's evidence. I ran into one poster on here who informed me that he was going to refuse to believe any official figures as evidence against his economic analysis because the LIBOR issue, (which were not official government figures, by the way), means that official figures can be faked. Therefore no official figures will be accepted to counter his argument that the whole economy is going to collapse any week now. Rational discussion with this poster is clerly quite impossible. Overall, I don't think lack of evidence in threads is the main problem in A2K, because if two posters disagree, how else can the issue be discussed?
djjd62
 
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Reply Tue 31 Jan, 2017 04:16 pm
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The purpose of Sealioning is never to actually learn or become more informed.


This sums up my entire purpose in life
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 1 Feb, 2017 01:34 am
@Blickers,
Any word or phrase can be overused and abused. The thing is, you wouldn't accuse someone of doing that straight off, it takes a number of posts for a picture to emerge.

Anything that wastes your time pointlessly counts, like getting you to look for something in a video that's not even there when the person who posted it hasn't watched it. Even after you've seen it and you point out that no evidence has been presented to support their case, they still vehemently insist on being right.

Have you had to deal with something/someone like that?
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 1 Feb, 2017 10:01 pm

Calling people sealions is so 2015.

http://able2know.org/topic/298025-3#post-6054812
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TomTomBinks
 
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Reply Thu 2 Feb, 2017 12:23 am
@izzythepush,
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Anything that wastes your time pointlessly counts, like getting you to look for something in a video that's not even there when the person who posted it hasn't watched it. Even after you've seen it and you point out that no evidence has been presented to support their case, they still vehemently insist on being right.

OK, I've been reading this all but I still don't really understand what a "sealion" is. Could you explain it to me one more time, only try to use plain and clear English this time?
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 2 Feb, 2017 12:29 am
@TomTomBinks,
TomTomBinks wrote:
OK, I've been reading this all but I still don't really understand what a "sealion" is. Could you explain it to me one more time, only try to use plain and clear English this time?

LOL!

Laughing Razz
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glitterbag
 
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Reply Thu 2 Feb, 2017 12:42 am
@TomTomBinks,
I assume that's a serious question. Split the word sealion into Sea Lion, sea lions make a loud honking noise thats entertaining at first until the rest of them show up and it becomes 300 or more barking aquatic animals making so much noise, it's only annoying and you pray for it to stop.

Did I state that correctly, Izzy?
roger
 
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Reply Thu 2 Feb, 2017 12:48 am
@glitterbag,
I think you just been sealioned.
glitterbag
 
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Reply Thu 2 Feb, 2017 12:52 am
@roger,
I must be tired. and you are probably right.
roger
 
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Reply Thu 2 Feb, 2017 01:17 am
@glitterbag,
Trust me!
 

 
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