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I have a question about Catholism. Who would like to give me a favor?

 
 
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 27 Jul, 2021 01:10 am
@The Anointed,
The Anointed wrote:
The church, whose head, ‘The pope’, claims to be the shepherd of God’s people ...
You really should get some education!

The primacy of the bishop of Rome is accepted at a fundamental level by both the Roman Catholic Church, the Eastern Catholic Churches and the Eastern Orthodox Churches.
The Anointed
 
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Reply Tue 27 Jul, 2021 01:43 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Are you saying that the pope 'IS NOT' God's chosen shepherd of his people?
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Tue 27 Jul, 2021 02:27 am
@The Anointed,
The Anointed wrote:


Would you like a tissue to wipe off that muck that’s dribbling down your chin old mate?


No dribbling...no need for a tissue.

Heat getting to you?

Quote:
The church, whose head, ‘The pope’, claims to be the shepherd of God’s people, who God raised up in the land after HE, who had filled his obedient servant, ‘the man Jesus’ with his spirit, had abandoned his stubborn flock, who had offered him the majestic wage of thirty pieces of silver, is the church that sits on the seven hills of Rome, and ‘SHE’ is renowned for having twisted and distorted the writings of the apostles to make them appear to be supporting her false and misleading beliefs, so too, are those devoted Catholics, who, like the so called holy bishops, would love to bend before their holy pope and kiss his holy ring, have twisted and distorted the words of the popes to make them appear to have not said, that which they actually did say.

Good News Catholic Study Edition; Revelation 18: 4-8.

Come out of her my people
Do not share in her sin
You must not share her punishment
Her judgement day has come.

Her sins are piled to heaven
And God recalls her wicked ways
She says ‘I am no widow’
And I’ll never see the grave.

Because of that in just one day
Disease will strike her down
Plagues and famine she’ll receive
Until finally she’ll be burned.

You must pay her back two-fold
For all that she has done
Fill her cup as she filled yours
But make it twice as strong.

For all the glory she has claimed
And all her luxury
Must be repaid this very day
With pain and misery.



At no point has the Catholic Church ever taught that the Pope is Jesus in the flesh...which is what you asserted.

You have been called on your bullshit.

It seems to be hurting you.

Good.

Now...continue with your hatred. That is what you are good at.
The Anointed
 
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Reply Tue 27 Jul, 2021 03:30 am
@Frank Apisa,
Still dribbling I see.

Papal primacy, also known as the primacy of the bishop of Rome, is a Christian ecclesiological doctrine concerning the respect and authority that is due to the pope from other bishops and their episcopal sees. The doctrine is accepted at a fundamental level by both the Catholic Church, the Eastern Catholic Churches and Eastern Orthodox Church,

It would be a mistake to expect to find the modern fully developed doctrine of papal primacy in the first early centuries, when the pope was seen as Jesus in the flesh, when the Pope spoke it was the infallible words of Jesus that he spoke. But over the years, and after the Roman church had lost the support of the emperors and with the accusations of being the Anti-Christ, they were forced to moderate their beliefs and try to discredit any suggestion that the early popes had claimed to be God on earth.

Don't you choke on that stuff that's dribbling from your mouth old Mate, and don't get it all over the Popes ring, if you happen to kiss it.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Tue 27 Jul, 2021 03:45 am
@The Anointed,
The Anointed wrote:

Still dribbling I see.


Since you see dribbling...it must be coming from your mouth.

Wipe it up, Fool.


Quote:

Papal primacy, also known as the primacy of the bishop of Rome, is a Christian ecclesiological doctrine concerning the respect and authority that is due to the pope from other bishops and their episcopal sees. The doctrine is accepted at a fundamental level by both the Catholic Church, the Eastern Catholic Churches and Eastern Orthodox Church,

It would be a mistake to expect to find the modern fully developed doctrine of papal primacy in the first early centuries, when the pope was seen as Jesus in the flesh, when the Pope spoke it was the infallible words of Jesus that he spoke. But over the years, and after the Roman church had lost the support of the emperors and with the accusations of being the Anti-Christ, they were forced to moderate their beliefs and try to discredit any suggestion that the early popes had claimed to be God on earth.

Don't you choke on that stuff that's dribbling from your mouth old Mate, and don't get it all over the Popes ring, if you happen to kiss it.


The Catholic Church has NEVER taught that the Pope is Jesus Christ in the Flesh.

NEVER!

You are full of ****...and you do not have the spine to acknowledge that you are.

Okay. I doubt anyone here expects better from you.

So...continue with your hatred of the Catholics.

You do more to sully religion than any non-theist here. We love you!

The Anointed
 
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Reply Tue 27 Jul, 2021 05:35 am
@Frank Apisa,
It was Pope Leo X who made the most infamous and damaging statement about their form of Christianity in the history of the Church. His declaration revealed to the world papal knowledge of the Vatican's false presentation of Jesus Christ and unashamedly exposed the puerile nature of their Christian religion. At a lavish Good Friday banquet in the Vatican in 1514, and in the company of "seven intimates" (Annales Ecclesiastici, Caesar Baronius, Folio Antwerp, 1597, tome 14), Leo made an amazing announcement that the Church has since tried hard to invalidate.

Raising a chalice of wine into the air, Pope Leo toasted: "How well we know what a profitable superstition this fable of Christ has been for us and our predecessors."

(WASN'T IT YOU WHO AGREED WITH POPE LEO, BY BELIEVEING THAT THE SCRIPTURES ARE NO MORE THAN FAIRY TALES?) I'll have to check that out.

Ah, now I remember here are your exact words; "What you call "Holy Scripture" has the same relationship to the truth about REALITY as does the book Alice in Wonderland." No wonder you defend the Popes.

The pope's pronouncement is recorded in the diaries and records of both Pietro Cardinal Bembo (Letters and Comments on Pope Leo X, 1842 reprint) and Paolo Cardinal Giovio (De Vita Leonis Decimi, , op. cit.), two associates who were witnesses to it.

Caesar (Cardinal) Baronius (1538-1607) was Vatican librarian for seven years and wrote a 12-volume history of the Church, known as Annales Ecclesiastici. He was the Church's most outstanding historian (Catholic Encyclopedia, New Edition, 1976, ii, p. 105) and his records provide vital inside information for anybody studying the rich depth of falsification in the Roman churches form of their so-called christianity.

Cardinal Baronius, who turned down two offers to become pope in 1605, added the following comments about Pope Leo's declaration: "The Pontiff has been accused of atheism, for he denied God and called Christ, in front of cardinals Pietro Bembo, Jovius and Iacopo Sadoleto and other intimates, 'a fable' , it must be corrected".
(Annales Ecclesiastici, op. cit., tomes viii and xi)

In an early edition of the Catholic Encyclopedia (Pecci ed., iii, pp. 312-314, passim), the Church devoted two-and-half pages in an attempt to nullify the most destructive statement ever made by the head of their form of Christianity. It based the essence of its argument on the assumption that what the pope meant by "profitable" was "gainful", and "fable" was intended to mean "tradition".

Hence, confused Catholic theologians argued that what the pope really meant was, "How well Christians have gained from this wonderful tradition of Christ".

But that isn't what he said, was it? Nah! What he said, was, "How well we know what a profitable superstition this fable of Christ has been for us and our predecessors."

Ah, what deviants are the theologians of the Roman church of Emperor (Saint) Constantine.

I defend the words of the Lord as spoken through his faithful servant, the man Jesus, against those ‘Scripture Twisters,' while you defend them, You poor soul.

"The Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in Heaven and earth." (Pope Pius V, quoted in Barclay, Chapter XXVII, p. 218, "Cities Petrus Bertanous) "To believe that our Lord God the Pope has not the power to decree as he is decreed, is to be deemed heretical."

And we know what the theologians of the Roman church of Emperor (Saint) Constantine have done with that, don’t we?
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Tue 27 Jul, 2021 12:33 pm
@The Anointed,
The Anointed wrote:


It was Pope Leo X who made the most infamous and damaging statement about their form of Christianity in the history of the Church. His declaration revealed to the world papal knowledge of the Vatican's false presentation of Jesus Christ and unashamedly exposed the puerile nature of their Christian religion. At a lavish Good Friday banquet in the Vatican in 1514, and in the company of "seven intimates" (Annales Ecclesiastici, Caesar Baronius, Folio Antwerp, 1597, tome 14), Leo made an amazing announcement that the Church has since tried hard to invalidate.

Raising a chalice of wine into the air, Pope Leo toasted: "How well we know what a profitable superstition this fable of Christ has been for us and our predecessors."

(WASN'T IT YOU WHO AGREED WITH POPE LEO, BY BELIEVEING THAT THE SCRIPTURES ARE NO MORE THAN FAIRY TALES?) I'll have to check that out.

Ah, now I remember here are your exact words; "What you call "Holy Scripture" has the same relationship to the truth about REALITY as does the book Alice in Wonderland." No wonder you defend the Popes.

The pope's pronouncement is recorded in the diaries and records of both Pietro Cardinal Bembo (Letters and Comments on Pope Leo X, 1842 reprint) and Paolo Cardinal Giovio (De Vita Leonis Decimi, , op. cit.), two associates who were witnesses to it.

Caesar (Cardinal) Baronius (1538-1607) was Vatican librarian for seven years and wrote a 12-volume history of the Church, known as Annales Ecclesiastici. He was the Church's most outstanding historian (Catholic Encyclopedia, New Edition, 1976, ii, p. 105) and his records provide vital inside information for anybody studying the rich depth of falsification in the Roman churches form of their so-called christianity.

Cardinal Baronius, who turned down two offers to become pope in 1605, added the following comments about Pope Leo's declaration: "The Pontiff has been accused of atheism, for he denied God and called Christ, in front of cardinals Pietro Bembo, Jovius and Iacopo Sadoleto and other intimates, 'a fable' , it must be corrected".
(Annales Ecclesiastici, op. cit., tomes viii and xi)

In an early edition of the Catholic Encyclopedia (Pecci ed., iii, pp. 312-314, passim), the Church devoted two-and-half pages in an attempt to nullify the most destructive statement ever made by the head of their form of Christianity. It based the essence of its argument on the assumption that what the pope meant by "profitable" was "gainful", and "fable" was intended to mean "tradition".

Hence, confused Catholic theologians argued that what the pope really meant was, "How well Christians have gained from this wonderful tradition of Christ".

But that isn't what he said, was it? Nah! What he said, was, "How well we know what a profitable superstition this fable of Christ has been for us and our predecessors."

Ah, what deviants are the theologians of the Roman church of Emperor (Saint) Constantine.

I defend the words of the Lord as spoken through his faithful servant, the man Jesus, against those ‘Scripture Twisters,' while you defend them, You poor soul.

"The Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in Heaven and earth." (Pope Pius V, quoted in Barclay, Chapter XXVII, p. 218, "Cities Petrus Bertanous) "To believe that our Lord God the Pope has not the power to decree as he is decreed, is to be deemed heretical."

And we know what the theologians of the Roman church of Emperor (Saint) Constantine have done with that, don’t we?



So does this mean that you are not going to acknowledge that you were full of **** when you asserted that the Catholic Church teaches that the Pope is Jesus Christ in the flesh?

Yeah, I thought so.

Continue to move on to other things so you don't have to do what any reasonable, ethical debater would do...concede the mistake.

And continue with your hatred of the Catholic Church.

Par for the course for you loving religious people!

I love you. You do so much for the causes I champion. Thanks.
Wink
The Anointed
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jul, 2021 12:01 am
@Frank Apisa,
Frank dapissa wrote …… So does this mean that you are not going to acknowledge that you were full of **** when you asserted that the Catholic Church teaches that the Pope is Jesus Christ in the flesh?

The Anointed responds ….. Certainly not you poor pope’s ring kissing fellow. The Popes believe that the man Jesus is God, and have said in the past; "The Pope and God (The man Jesus) are the same, so he has all power in Heaven and earth." (Pope Pius V, quoted in Barclay, Chapter XXVII, p. 218, "Cities Petrus Bertanous) "To believe that our Lord God the Pope has not the power to decree as he is decreed, is to be deemed heretical." In other words pope pius V, said that the pope and his God (THE MAN JESUS) are the same, etc. You continue to reveal to all that you do not have the ability to comprehend that which you read.

Frank dapissa wrote …… Yeah, I thought so.

The Anointed responds ….. Then you thought wrong again you poor sick child, why would I acknowledge that it is wrong to assert the truth, and that is, that the Catholic Church taught that the Pope is Jesus Christ in the flesh.

Frank dapissa wrote …… Continue to move on to other things so you don't have to do what any reasonable, ethical debater would do...concede the mistake.

The Anointed responds ….. There was no mistake, you ignorant child.

Frank dapissa wrote …… And continue with your hatred of the Catholic Church. Par for the course for you loving religious people!

The Anointed responds ….. Ah! But I do love those poor souls who have been deceived by the worthless shepherd in order to blind them to the truth as revealed in God’s WORD.

Frank dapissa wrote …… I love you. You do so much for the causes I champion. Thanks.

The Anointed responds ….. Well thank you for loving me so much for discrediting and bringing to nothing, the ridiculous causes that you champion.

The apostles did not teach the false doctrine of the so-called non-biblical VIRGIN conception and birth of Jesus by his mother Mary.

In the days of the Apostle Paul, the people were already beginning to fall away from the truth, and following another gospel that was not taught by the word of God or the apostles.

In his 2nd letter to the Corinthians 11: 4; Paul says, “You gladly tolerate anyone who comes to you and preaches a different Jesus, not the one we preached; and you accept a spirit and a gospel completely different from the spirit and the gospel you received from us.”

So, what was that other gospel that was leading the people away from the truth and away from the Jesus as preached by the Apostles, to another false Jesus?

That gospel was the word of the anti-christ, that refused to acknowledge that Jesus had come as a human being, and instead, they believed that he was a spirit, whose humanlike body was able to pass through Mary’s Hymen without breaking it, and who, like some Hologram, would appear and disappear at will.

Even in the days of John the beloved disciple, ‘Docetism,’ the concept that Jesus had existed as a spirit rather than a human being, and could appear and disappear like some hologram, had begun to rear its ugly head. That’s why it is written in 1 John 4: 1-3; My dear friends, do not believe all who claim to have the Spirit, but test them to find out if the spirit they have comes from God. For many false prophets have gone out everywhere. This is how you will be able to know whether it is God's Spirit: anyone who acknowledges that Jesus Christ came as a human being has the Spirit who comes from God. But anyone who denies this about Jesus does not have the Spirit from God. The spirit that he has is from the Enemy of Christ; you heard that it would come, and now it is here in the world already.

2nd letter of John verses 7-10; “Many deceivers have gone out all over the world, people who do not acknowledge that Jesus came as a human being. Such a person is a deceiver and an enemy of Christ.” Where would one expect to find the teaching that Jesus was not a true human being, “Born of the seed of Adam” which teaching has been spread ALL OVER THE WORLD?

By the second century, ‘Docetism,’ the concept that Jesus had existed as a spirit rather than a human being, had all but theoretically been stamped out. Yet there still persisted the belief that their Jesus, although seen as a sort of human being, did not have our normal bodily needs, such as eating, drinking and excretion, and Clement the bishop of Alexandria, wrote: “It would be ridiculous to imagine that the redeemer, in order to exist, had the usual needs of man. He only took food and ate it in order that we should not teach about him in a Docetic fashion.” Even though the scriptures state that it was because Jesus was hungry, that Satan tried to tempt him into turning the stones into bread.

Their Jesus was not the Jesus as taught by the apostles, but that other Jesus, taught by the Anti-Christ, (who sits in the temple and proclaims himself to be God on earth,) who unlike we mere HUMAN BEINGS, did not need to eat, drink, or go to the toilet, as was taught by one of the great teachers that the authorities of Emperor Constantine’s universal church, used as one of their authorities when trying to defend their false doctrines.

Saint Clement of Alexandria, who was a saint in the Martyrology of the Roman universal church, in support of the great lie, speaks of the time that some imaginary midwife, who was supposed to be at the birth of Jesus, (Non-biblical) told some woman by the name Salome, that the mother was still a virgin after the birth and that her hymen was still intact, and that this supposed Salome, stuck her finger into the mother’s vagina to check, and her hand immediately withered up, but the baby Jesus reached out and touched her hand and healed it. (All non biblical).

Down to the 17th century, Clement was venerated as a saint. His name was to be found in the Martyrologies, and his feast fell on December 4. But when the Roman Martyrology was revised by Clement VIII (Pope from 1592 to 1605), his name was dropped from the calendar on the advice of his confessor, Cardinal Baronius. Pope Benedict XIV in 1748 maintained his predecessor's decision on the grounds that Clement’s life was little-known; that he had never obtained public cultus in the Church; and that some of his doctrines were, if not erroneous, at least highly ‘suspect.

"ERRONEOUS? HIGHLY SUSPECT?" they certainly got that right, but by then the false teaching of the so-called virgin birth had become firmly established in the minds of the poor deceived multitude.

That is why God calls for his children to abandon her, and not be a sharer in the punishment she is to receive for her sins, which is according to the holy scriptures.

To be continued.
The Anointed
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jul, 2021 01:40 am
@The Anointed,
I could use any of a number of authorities to supply evidence of the 6 BC triple conjunction of the "King Planet" Jupiter, with Mars, the “God of War” and Saturn the “God of Time,” who brings the golden age of peace to the earth, which I believe was read by the wise men as the sign that was prophesied to herald the birth of the promised King, (Jupiter the king planet) who was to succeed to the throne of David the warrior king, (Mars the god of war) as the prophesied Messianic King of Israel, who is to come and subdue the surrounding Nations and bring in the golden Age of one thousand years of peace, (Saturn.)

All short period comets which re-appear every two hundred years or less, have their aphelia in the orbit of Jupiter and even up until relatively recent times, those short period comets were thought to have been created from material ejected from the King Planet Jupiter and were called the family of Jupiter.

The comet of early 5 B.C., would have been captured by the gravitation pull of Jupiter the King Planet, and In My Opinion, would have been seen as the child born of the glorious expanded body of Jupiter, and it was this that supposedly set the wise men on their Journey to Israel.

The Comet of 5 B.C., which is said to have a tail and remained visible to those in the northern hemisphere for 70 days and led the Magi to the child Jesus in Nazareth, would have been very similar to the comet Hale-bopp, which was first seen March 1-10 low on the eastern horizon.

By May 8, the Comet Hale-Bopp would be approaching its last hurrah, and would have become increasingly difficult to see low in the fading glow of sunset. March has 30 days, April has 31, during the next week or two of the month of May, you could still follow the fading comet right down into the western sunset with the naked eye or binoculars, etc. 30 + 31 + 7 to 14 days = 68 to 75 days that the Comet Hale-Bopp would have been seen in the Northern hemisphere.

The Comet, or Hairy star as they were called in those days, would have first been seen low on the eastern horizon, having of itself no apparent movement other than being one among the background of stars that appear to travel from the east to the west according to the rotation of the earth, and yet each night it would appear in a different heavenly position relative to the background stars as it travelled toward the western horizon in its 70 days of visibility in the northern hemisphere.

The title "wise men" is translated from the original Greek word magos. The word refers to a priest of the Persian religion Zoroastrianism. These priests, or magi, frequently looked to the stars for signs of the future and gained an international reputation for astrology and revelation/divination.

It is more than probable that the "wise men" were in fact Zoroastrian priests from Persia. And as there was a sizable Jewish presence in Babylon at that time, they obviously studied the old Hebrew scriptures. (Historians estimate that there were about 6-7 million Jews living in the Roman Empire (plus another 1 million from Persia.)

Although the history of the Jews in Iraq in the 5th century BCE is largely unknown, we know that the exiles were allowed to practice their religion while in Persia, and that they would have established schools/colleges in which to teach the children born while they were in exile.

The Bible also states that when the magi found the child Jesus, they "fell down and worshiped him." This verse references or indicates bowing, kneeling or prostration, which was generally viewed by both the ancient Jews and Romans as undignified, and in Jewish tradition was reserved for their God alone. However, for Persians, bowing or kneeling was a sign of respect generally directed toward kings.

I believe that the Bible should only be interpreted by the scriptures themselves. The Books of the Bible are like wheels of perfectly interlocking cogs, wheels within wheels, here a little and there a little etc.

Luke tells us that Mary gave birth to her firstborn son in the town of Bethlehem of Judea, as opposed to the Bethlehem, which was about two miles from Nazareth in Galilee, and that eight days after the child was born, it was circumcised and named Jesus. Then thirty-three days later, and before the wise men from the east had come and lavished their gifts of Gold, Frank-incense and mire, on the baby Jesus, he was taken OPENLY to the temple in Jerusalem by his not so financial parents, where his mother performed the purification ceremony, in accordance ‘TO THE TIME’ demanded by the law handed down through Moses.

And after they had completed everything in ACCORDANCE TO THE LAW, they returned to their home in Nazareth. Luke makes no mention of any wise men traveling to Bethlehem of Judaea, or of any slaughter of the innocents.

How do we know, even though it is not mentioned in Luke, that it was thirty-three days after the circumcision that the ceremony of purification was performed? Because Luke says, "And when the days of her purification ACCORDING TO THE LAW OF MOSES were accomplished, they brought him to Jerusalem, to present him to the Lord.

According to scripture, the child was taken to the temple in Jerusalem for the ceremony of purification at the correct time demanded by the law of Moses, which was 41 days after the birth, immediately after which, the family returned to their home in Nazareth.

To find out when the days of her purification according to the Law of Moses were accomplished, we simply turn to Leviticus 12: 3-4; and let the Bible reveal itself to us: (3) On the eighth day the child shall be circumcised. (4) Then it shall be 33 more days until she is ritually clean from her loss of blood; etc.

How do we know that the parents of Jesus were not flushed financially? Again, we must let the Bible reveal that to us, Leviticus 12: 8, "If the woman cannot afford a lamb, she shall bring two doves or pigeons etc," the fact that the birds were offered, shows that they were unable to afford a lamb, and had not yet received the gifts of Gold, etc.

How long was it before the wise men, after seeing the comet early in the spring of 5 BC, which is believed to have been the inspiration for them to travel to Jerusalem, decided that they should go to pay homage to the heir of that throne, whose heavenly sign they had seen in 6 B.C., and to organize that trip? And how long did it take them to travel from Mesopotamia to Jerusalem?

The only help that we receive from the Bible is found in Ezra 7: 8-9; "They (Ezra and his group) left Babylonia on the first day of the first month, and with God’s help they arrived in Jerusalem on the first day of the fifth month."

Four months, it took them to travel to Jerusalem. Even if we halve that time and take into account that the comet which inspired them to travel to Jerusalem had not appeared until sometime after the triple conjunction of 6 BC, which had heralded the birth of Jesus, there is no possible way that the wise men could have seen the baby Jesus in the manger in Bethlehem of Judaea, as the family (According to Luke) had returned to Nazareth 2 months after the birth of the child in Bethlehem.

On bright moonlit or cloudy nights or dust storms, the comet would be hidden from view, and apparently this was what had happened before they reached Jerusalem and went to the Palace of Herod the Great, expecting to find there, the heir to the throne of the Jews, and asked; Matthew 2: 2- “Where is the baby born to be the king of the Jews? We saw his star when it came up in the east, and we have come to worship him.”

They believed that the child had already been born.

Matthew 2: 7; So Herod called the visitors from the east to a secret meeting and found out from them the exact time that the star had appeared, etc.

After revealing to Herod in 4 B.C., the exact time that they had seen the heavenly sign that had heralded the birth of the promised Messiah, we read in Matthew 2: 16; it was in accordance to this information that Herod determined the age of the children who were to be slaughtered, all those who were two years and below and had been born in 6 B.C., or after. This reveals that the wise men had seen the heavenly sign that had heralded the birth of Jesus, almost two years previously.

Having been told that the child was prophesied to be born in Bethlehem of Judaea, (Although we know from Luke that the family had left Bethlehem 41 days after the child had been born and had returned to their home in Nazareth) the wise men Left the palace of Herod, and behold, there in the north west of Jerusalem, the star that they had seen in the east, was visible once again, and Oh what joy was theirs.

Traveling north in the direction of the hairy star, we can almost picture the scene, the wise men with their entourage travelling along the dusty roads of northern Israel, it’s late in the day and as they come to a rise, and there, just above the distant horizon, in the deepening darkness of the evening sky, is the star with its tail streaming up into the heavens and appearing to ‘STAND OVER’ the small and insignificant hamlet, or Zealot Commune, called "Nazareth," as it slowly followed the setting sun.

After entering, ‘NOT’ the manger in Bethlehem of Judah, but the ‘HOUSE’ of Joseph and Mary in Nazareth, the wise men paid homage to the child Jesus. That very same night, the wise men, who would presumably have travelled to Jerusalem across the Kings Highway, were warned in a dream not to reveal to Herod, the child’s whereabouts, and they returned home by a different route from which they had come, which would, more than likely, have been up through the northern route of Damascus, and Joseph was also warned to get out of bed immediately and take the child and his mother and flee into Egypt.

Herod’s secret police had eyes and ears throughout the entire land, and when he realised that he had been tricked and the wise men were not going to return and reveal the child’s location as promised, he was furious and gave the order to kill all the male children in the district that Herod's spies had confirmed that the wise men with their entourage had travelled to, which was around Bethlehem of Galilee, who were two years and below according to the time that he learned from the wise men about when they had first sighted the star that had heralded the birth of the promised king and savour.

According to Josephus the historian, Sepphoris, which was only about 4 miles from Bethlehem of Galilee, and a few kilometres from Nazareth, had a population of around thirty thousand and he called it, "The Ornament of Galilee."

Around the time of Herod’s death in the spring of 4BC, just after he had ordered the slaughter of the innocents around the district of Bethlehem of Galilee, who were two years and below, according to the time that the wise men had seen the heavenly sign that had heralded the birth of Jesus in 6 B.C. there were riots among the peasants of the area in Galilee of which Sepphoris was the centre.

Judas, the son of Hezekias attacked the arsenal of Herod in the city of Sepphoris in order to arm the peasants.

The Romans under Quintillius Varus of Syria, attacked and burnt the city, putting down the uprising in which many families died and others were taken prisoner and transported to Rome, where they were sold as slaves. But Joseph, with his wife and her child had escaped the slaughter by fleeing into Egypt.

After a failed suicide attempt, which I believe may have been an option given to him by Caesar Augustus, in the spring of 4 BC, Herod the Great died, then in the spring of 3 B.C., after the death of Herod his father, when Antipas returned from Rome where his father’s will had been ratified by Augustus, he chose and rebuilt the magnificent city of Sepphoris as his capital city for ruling over Galilee.

Now let us see what the Roman church of Emperor Constantine teachers her poor deceived children. To be continued.
The Anointed
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jul, 2021 01:47 am
@The Anointed,
Helena was the mother of Emperor Constantine, who established his Universal church in 325 AD, some 300 years after Jesus had established his apostolic church in Jerusalem.

Constantine appointed his mother Helena as Augusta and gave her unlimited access to the imperial treasury in order to locate the relics of early Judeo-Christian times. And the church of the Nativity in Bethlehem of Judaea, was originally financed and built by Helena the mother of Emperor Constantine, who have both been deified as saints by the Universal church that was established in 325 AD.

According to the traditions of the Church of Constantine, Mary and her child [supposedly] rested in a cave, called the Milk Grotto (la Gruta de la Leche), near the place where today stands the Church of the Nativity (la Iglesia de la Natividad). There, (Or so it is said) their supposed Virgin Mary breastfed the child Jesus to keep it quiet, while the soldiers of Herod were slaughtering the innocent children in Bethlehem of Judaea. A drop of milk [supposedly] fell on a stone of the cave, and the stone was supposed to have magically turned white. During the early centuries, this white rock, diluted in water, took the appearance of milk and was used as a religious relic.

Both Christians and Muslims believe scrapings from the stones in the grotto boost the quantity of a mother’s milk and enhance fertility. Mothers usually mix it in their drinking water; would-be mothers place the MAGICAL rock under their mattress.

There is also an old tradition which originated from the universal church of Constantine that identifies this as the burial site of the young victims of Herod’s Slaughter of the Innocents. There is a chapel dedicated to them in the caves beneath the Church of St. Catherine. None of this can be historically or biblically supported.

According to the traditions handed down by their saint Helena, it was in 6 BC, in the first few days after the birth of the child that the wise men paid homage to the baby Jesus in the manger in Bethlehem of Judaea, and immediately after the wise men were supposed to have left, Herod’s men began killing all the male children in that district who were two-years and below, while Mary supposedly hid in the milk Grotto, after which, Joseph and Mary with the baby Jesus, are said by Helena to have fled from Bethlehem of Judaea into the land of Egypt, where, according to Helena, they must have remained for two years, until Herod died in 4 BC.

What a load of unadulterated rubbish, but then, what can we expect from the worthless shepherd?
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jul, 2021 02:46 am
@The Anointed,
The Anointed wrote:


Frank dapissa wrote …… So does this mean that you are not going to acknowledge that you were full of **** when you asserted that the Catholic Church teaches that the Pope is Jesus Christ in the flesh?

The Anointed responds ….. Certainly not you poor pope’s ring kissing fellow. The Popes believe that the man Jesus is God, and have said in the past; "The Pope and God (The man Jesus) are the same, so he has all power in Heaven and earth." (Pope Pius V, quoted in Barclay, Chapter XXVII, p. 218, "Cities Petrus Bertanous) "To believe that our Lord God the Pope has not the power to decree as he is decreed, is to be deemed heretical." In other words pope pius V, said that the pope and his God (THE MAN JESUS) are the same, etc. You continue to reveal to all that you do not have the ability to comprehend that which you read.

Frank dapissa wrote …… Yeah, I thought so.

The Anointed responds ….. Then you thought wrong again you poor sick child, why would I acknowledge that it is wrong to assert the truth, and that is, that the Catholic Church taught that the Pope is Jesus Christ in the flesh.

Frank dapissa wrote …… Continue to move on to other things so you don't have to do what any reasonable, ethical debater would do...concede the mistake.

The Anointed responds ….. There was no mistake, you ignorant child.

Frank dapissa wrote …… And continue with your hatred of the Catholic Church. Par for the course for you loving religious people!

The Anointed responds ….. Ah! But I do love those poor souls who have been deceived by the worthless shepherd in order to blind them to the truth as revealed in God’s WORD.

Frank dapissa wrote …… I love you. You do so much for the causes I champion. Thanks.

The Anointed responds ….. Well thank you for loving me so much for discrediting and bringing to nothing, the ridiculous causes that you champion.

The apostles did not teach the false doctrine of the so-called non-biblical VIRGIN conception and birth of Jesus by his mother Mary.

In the days of the Apostle Paul, the people were already beginning to fall away from the truth, and following another gospel that was not taught by the word of God or the apostles.

In his 2nd letter to the Corinthians 11: 4; Paul says, “You gladly tolerate anyone who comes to you and preaches a different Jesus, not the one we preached; and you accept a spirit and a gospel completely different from the spirit and the gospel you received from us.”

So, what was that other gospel that was leading the people away from the truth and away from the Jesus as preached by the Apostles, to another false Jesus?

That gospel was the word of the anti-christ, that refused to acknowledge that Jesus had come as a human being, and instead, they believed that he was a spirit, whose humanlike body was able to pass through Mary’s Hymen without breaking it, and who, like some Hologram, would appear and disappear at will.

Even in the days of John the beloved disciple, ‘Docetism,’ the concept that Jesus had existed as a spirit rather than a human being, and could appear and disappear like some hologram, had begun to rear its ugly head. That’s why it is written in 1 John 4: 1-3; My dear friends, do not believe all who claim to have the Spirit, but test them to find out if the spirit they have comes from God. For many false prophets have gone out everywhere. This is how you will be able to know whether it is God's Spirit: anyone who acknowledges that Jesus Christ came as a human being has the Spirit who comes from God. But anyone who denies this about Jesus does not have the Spirit from God. The spirit that he has is from the Enemy of Christ; you heard that it would come, and now it is here in the world already.

2nd letter of John verses 7-10; “Many deceivers have gone out all over the world, people who do not acknowledge that Jesus came as a human being. Such a person is a deceiver and an enemy of Christ.” Where would one expect to find the teaching that Jesus was not a true human being, “Born of the seed of Adam” which teaching has been spread ALL OVER THE WORLD?

By the second century, ‘Docetism,’ the concept that Jesus had existed as a spirit rather than a human being, had all but theoretically been stamped out. Yet there still persisted the belief that their Jesus, although seen as a sort of human being, did not have our normal bodily needs, such as eating, drinking and excretion, and Clement the bishop of Alexandria, wrote: “It would be ridiculous to imagine that the redeemer, in order to exist, had the usual needs of man. He only took food and ate it in order that we should not teach about him in a Docetic fashion.” Even though the scriptures state that it was because Jesus was hungry, that Satan tried to tempt him into turning the stones into bread.

Their Jesus was not the Jesus as taught by the apostles, but that other Jesus, taught by the Anti-Christ, (who sits in the temple and proclaims himself to be God on earth,) who unlike we mere HUMAN BEINGS, did not need to eat, drink, or go to the toilet, as was taught by one of the great teachers that the authorities of Emperor Constantine’s universal church, used as one of their authorities when trying to defend their false doctrines.

Saint Clement of Alexandria, who was a saint in the Martyrology of the Roman universal church, in support of the great lie, speaks of the time that some imaginary midwife, who was supposed to be at the birth of Jesus, (Non-biblical) told some woman by the name Salome, that the mother was still a virgin after the birth and that her hymen was still intact, and that this supposed Salome, stuck her finger into the mother’s vagina to check, and her hand immediately withered up, but the baby Jesus reached out and touched her hand and healed it. (All non biblical).

Down to the 17th century, Clement was venerated as a saint. His name was to be found in the Martyrologies, and his feast fell on December 4. But when the Roman Martyrology was revised by Clement VIII (Pope from 1592 to 1605), his name was dropped from the calendar on the advice of his confessor, Cardinal Baronius. Pope Benedict XIV in 1748 maintained his predecessor's decision on the grounds that Clement’s life was little-known; that he had never obtained public cultus in the Church; and that some of his doctrines were, if not erroneous, at least highly ‘suspect.

"ERRONEOUS? HIGHLY SUSPECT?" they certainly got that right, but by then the false teaching of the so-called virgin birth had become firmly established in the minds of the poor deceived multitude.

That is why God calls for his children to abandon her, and not be a sharer in the punishment she is to receive for her sins, which is according to the holy scriptures.

To be continued.


It would have been easier to simply acknowledge that you do not have the ethical wherewithal to acknowledge that you were full of **** on your assertion.

The Catholic Church has NEVER taught that the Pope is Jesus Christ in the flesh.

The Anointed
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jul, 2021 03:28 am
@Frank Apisa,
The popes of the Roman church of Emperor Constantine who claim that the man Jesus is God himself, also claimed that the pope was God=Jesus on earth.

"The Pope and God (The man Jesus) are the same, so he has all power in Heaven and earth." (Pope Pius V, quoted in Barclay, Chapter XXVII, p. 218, "Cities Petrus Bertanous) "To believe that our Lord God the Pope has not the power to decree as he is decreed, is to be deemed heretical." In other words pope pius V, said that the pope and his God (THE MAN JESUS) are the same, etc.

Would you like me to get someone to read that for you, or are you capable of reading it yourself?

The Catholic Church had taught that the Pope is God= Jesus Christ in the flesh, as revealed.

So now, you go back and crawl into your dark dungeon of ignorance where the light of truth cannot reach you.

But please do continue to attack me, it gives me the chance to reveal the truth to those who have brains and who follow these threads.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jul, 2021 08:09 am
@The Anointed,
The Anointed wrote:


The popes of the Roman church of Emperor Constantine who claim that the man Jesus is God himself, also claimed that the pope was God=Jesus on earth.

"The Pope and God (The man Jesus) are the same, so he has all power in Heaven and earth." (Pope Pius V, quoted in Barclay, Chapter XXVII, p. 218, "Cities Petrus Bertanous) "To believe that our Lord God the Pope has not the power to decree as he is decreed, is to be deemed heretical." In other words pope pius V, said that the pope and his God (THE MAN JESUS) are the same, etc.

Would you like me to get someone to read that for you, or are you capable of reading it yourself?

The Catholic Church had taught that the Pope is God= Jesus Christ in the flesh, as revealed.

So now, you go back and crawl into your dark dungeon of ignorance where the light of truth cannot reach you.

But please do continue to attack me, it gives me the chance to reveal the truth to those who have brains and who follow these threads.


The Catholic Church HAS NEVER, EVER taught that the Pope is Jesus Christ in the flesh.

You are totally full of **** on that assertion.

You're stretching of the quote from Barclay is a laugh...and I have already given you a link to why it is a laugh.

You are an amateur at this stuff. Not a particularly gifted amateur, but a useful one. I will continue to do everything I can to get you to remain here spewing your nonsense. You are more help to the side I am championing than you can possibly imagine.

Love ya! Wink
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jul, 2021 09:32 am
@Frank Apisa,
What about Benedict?

Was he Jesus for a bit and then stopped?

Does he remember being Jesus?

Does he realise he looks like the Emperor from Star Wars?
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jul, 2021 09:50 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

What about Benedict?

Was he Jesus for a bit and then stopped?

Does he remember being Jesus?

Does he realise he looks like the Emperor from Star Wars?


Catholicism has a lot to answer for...but this asshole is way beyond the pale.

The Church NEVER taught that the Pope was Jesus Christ in the flesh.

EVER!

By now this guy knows it, but he is small time and cannot work up the spine to acknowledge being wrong.

Okay.

Good to have him around though. He does favors with every post.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jul, 2021 10:01 am
@Frank Apisa,
Of course he won’t back down, next stage is insulting. He’s already tried the walls of text approach, as if that’s impressing anyone.

He’s deliberately conflating papal infallibility with the embodiment of Christ. Then he’s insisting we accept his incorrect interpretation and those who don’t are stupid or can’t read.

That’s about the sum of it.
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The Anointed
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jul, 2021 04:04 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Asshole??? Good heavens mate, you're almost as insulting as your little foul mouthed atheist mate Dizzy Izzy. But what can we expect from you godless mob?

BTW mate, it is you who believe that the popes never claimed to be god=jesus in the flesh, who is miserably mistaken and who does not have the intestinal fortitude to admit that you are wrong.

"The Pope and God (The man Jesus) are the same, so he has all power in Heaven and earth." (Pope Pius V, quoted in Barclay, Chapter XXVII, p. 218, "Cities Petrus Bertanous) "To believe that our Lord God the Pope has not the power to decree as he is decreed, is to be deemed heretical." In other words pope pius V, said that the pope and his God (THE MAN JESUS) are the same, etc.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jul, 2021 06:28 pm
@The Anointed,
The Anointed wrote:

Asshole??? Good heavens mate, you're almost as insulting as your little foul mouthed atheist mate Dizzy Izzy. But what can we expect from you godless mob?

BTW mate, it is you who believe that the popes never claimed to be god=jesus in the flesh, who is miserably mistaken and who does not have the intestinal fortitude to admit that you are wrong.


You claimed that the Catholic Church teaches that the Pope is Jesus Christ in the Flesh.

You are absolutely, positively wrong on that. The Catholic Church has never ever taught that.

You are an asshole...who simply cannot acknowledge that you are wrong.

Quote:
"The Pope and God (The man Jesus) are the same, so he has all power in Heaven and earth." (Pope Pius V, quoted in Barclay, Chapter XXVII, p. 218, "Cities Petrus Bertanous) "To believe that our Lord God the Pope has not the power to decree as he is decreed, is to be deemed heretical." In other words pope pius V, said that the pope and his God (THE MAN JESUS) are the same, etc.


I have given you a link to a site that tears that bit of fiction to pieces. But...stick with your lie. That is what liar do...they lie...and stick with their lies.
The Anointed
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jul, 2021 08:56 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Dapissa wrote ..... You claimed that the Catholic Church teaches that the Pope is Jesus Christ in the Flesh.

The Anointed's response ..... Sorry sunshine, what I claimed was that the popes 'HAD' claimed that when they spoke it was Christ that spoke and that they were Christ in the flesh. people today are not as gullible as those when the popes made those claims.

Frank Dapissa wrote ..... I have given you a link to a site that tears that bit of fiction to pieces.

The Anointed's response ..... And I gave you a link that shatters you Catholic link, and reveals it for the rubbish that it is.

It was Pope Leo X who made the most infamous and damaging statement about their form of Christianity in the history of the Church. His declaration revealed to the world papal knowledge of the Vatican's false presentation of Jesus Christ and unashamedly exposed the puerile nature of their Christian religion. At a lavish Good Friday banquet in the Vatican in 1514, and in the company of "seven intimates" (Annales Ecclesiastici, Caesar Baronius, Folio Antwerp, 1597, tome 14), Leo made an amazing announcement that the Church has since tried hard to invalidate.

Raising a chalice of wine into the air, Pope Leo toasted: "HOW WELL WE KNOW WHAT A PROFITABLE SUPERSTITION THIS FABLE OF CHRIST HAS BEEN FOR US AND OUR PREDECESSORS."

The pope's pronouncement is recorded in the diaries and records of both Pietro Cardinal Bembo (Letters and Comments on Pope Leo X, 1842 reprint) and Paolo Cardinal Giovio (De Vita Leonis Decimi, , op. cit.), two associates 'WHO WERE WITNESSES TO IT' it.

Caesar (Cardinal) Baronius (1538-1607) was Vatican librarian for seven years and wrote a 12-volume history of the Church, known as Annales Ecclesiastici. He was the Church's most outstanding historian (Catholic Encyclopedia, New Edition, 1976, ii, p. 105) and his records provide vital inside information for anybody studying the rich depth of falsification in the Roman churches form of their so-called christianity.

Cardinal Baronius, who turned down two offers to become pope in 1605, added the following comments about Pope Leo's declaration: "The Pontiff has been accused of atheism, for he denied God and called Christ, in front of cardinals Pietro Bembo, Jovius and Iacopo Sadoleto and other intimates, 'a fable' , it must be corrected".
(Annales Ecclesiastici, op. cit., tomes viii and xi)

In an early edition of the Catholic Encyclopedia (Pecci ed., iii, pp. 312-314, passim), the Church devoted two-and-half pages in an attempt to nullify the most destructive statement ever made by the head of their form of Christianity. It based the essence of its argument on the assumption that what the pope meant by "profitable" was "gainful", and "fable" was intended to mean "tradition".

Hence, confused Catholic theologians argued that what the pope really meant was, "HOW WELL CHRISTIANS HAVE GAINED FROM THIS WONDERFUL TRADITION OF CHRIST". What a load of Crap came out of the mouths of those scripture twisters from the Roman church of Emperor Constantine, they changed pope Leo’s words, which were, "How well we know what a profitable superstition this fable of Christ has been for us and our predecessors." To "How well Christians have gained from this wonderful tradition of Christ".

And there are poor suckers around who actually believe those Roman scripture twisters.

I defend the words of the Lord as spoken through his faithful servant, the man Jesus, against those ‘Scripture Twisters,' while you defend them. You poor soul.

Here’s another declaration from one of the popes whose ring, just like his bishops, you would love to kiss.

"The Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in Heaven and earth." (Pope Pius V, quoted in Barclay, Chapter XXVII, p. 218, "Cities Petrus Bertanous) "To believe that our Lord God the Pope has not the power to decree as he is decreed, is to be deemed heretical."

And we know what the scripture twisting theologians of the Roman church of Emperor (Saint) Constantine have done with that also, don’t we?

When are you going to man up and acknowledge that you have been totally deceived, by those liars?


Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Thu 29 Jul, 2021 03:35 am
@The Anointed,
The Anointed wrote:


Frank Dapissa wrote ..... You claimed that the Catholic Church teaches that the Pope is Jesus Christ in the Flesh.

The Anointed's response ..... Sorry sunshine, what I claimed was that the popes 'HAD' claimed that when they spoke it was Christ that spoke and that they were Christ in the flesh. people today are not as gullible as those when the popes made those claims.

Frank Dapissa wrote ..... I have given you a link to a site that tears that bit of fiction to pieces.

The Anointed's response ..... And I gave you a link that shatters you Catholic link, and reveals it for the rubbish that it is.

It was Pope Leo X who made the most infamous and damaging statement about their form of Christianity in the history of the Church. His declaration revealed to the world papal knowledge of the Vatican's false presentation of Jesus Christ and unashamedly exposed the puerile nature of their Christian religion. At a lavish Good Friday banquet in the Vatican in 1514, and in the company of "seven intimates" (Annales Ecclesiastici, Caesar Baronius, Folio Antwerp, 1597, tome 14), Leo made an amazing announcement that the Church has since tried hard to invalidate.

Raising a chalice of wine into the air, Pope Leo toasted: "HOW WELL WE KNOW WHAT A PROFITABLE SUPERSTITION THIS FABLE OF CHRIST HAS BEEN FOR US AND OUR PREDECESSORS."

The pope's pronouncement is recorded in the diaries and records of both Pietro Cardinal Bembo (Letters and Comments on Pope Leo X, 1842 reprint) and Paolo Cardinal Giovio (De Vita Leonis Decimi, , op. cit.), two associates 'WHO WERE WITNESSES TO IT' it.

Caesar (Cardinal) Baronius (1538-1607) was Vatican librarian for seven years and wrote a 12-volume history of the Church, known as Annales Ecclesiastici. He was the Church's most outstanding historian (Catholic Encyclopedia, New Edition, 1976, ii, p. 105) and his records provide vital inside information for anybody studying the rich depth of falsification in the Roman churches form of their so-called christianity.

Cardinal Baronius, who turned down two offers to become pope in 1605, added the following comments about Pope Leo's declaration: "The Pontiff has been accused of atheism, for he denied God and called Christ, in front of cardinals Pietro Bembo, Jovius and Iacopo Sadoleto and other intimates, 'a fable' , it must be corrected".
(Annales Ecclesiastici, op. cit., tomes viii and xi)

In an early edition of the Catholic Encyclopedia (Pecci ed., iii, pp. 312-314, passim), the Church devoted two-and-half pages in an attempt to nullify the most destructive statement ever made by the head of their form of Christianity. It based the essence of its argument on the assumption that what the pope meant by "profitable" was "gainful", and "fable" was intended to mean "tradition".

Hence, confused Catholic theologians argued that what the pope really meant was, "HOW WELL CHRISTIANS HAVE GAINED FROM THIS WONDERFUL TRADITION OF CHRIST". What a load of Crap came out of the mouths of those scripture twisters from the Roman church of Emperor Constantine, they changed pope Leo’s words, which were, "How well we know what a profitable superstition this fable of Christ has been for us and our predecessors." To "How well Christians have gained from this wonderful tradition of Christ".

And there are poor suckers around who actually believe those Roman scripture twisters.

I defend the words of the Lord as spoken through his faithful servant, the man Jesus, against those ‘Scripture Twisters,' while you defend them. You poor soul.

Here’s another declaration from one of the popes whose ring, just like his bishops, you would love to kiss.

"The Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in Heaven and earth." (Pope Pius V, quoted in Barclay, Chapter XXVII, p. 218, "Cities Petrus Bertanous) "To believe that our Lord God the Pope has not the power to decree as he is decreed, is to be deemed heretical."

And we know what the scripture twisting theologians of the Roman church of Emperor (Saint) Constantine have done with that also, don’t we?

When are you going to man up and acknowledge that you have been totally deceived, by those liars?


You are completely full of ****...but you are useful. You show the twisted, hate-filled side of religion more clearly than most, so please do continue.

Don't mind me laughing. I am laughing at you...not with you.

Laughing
 

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