Interesting human population genetic facts

He was obviously a devout catholic.

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This is a fascinating thread, Badboy.

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Male Haplotype EU18 is possibly the oldest Male haplotype in Europe being found in about 88% of Basques.

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The Landsker in Pembrokeshire as well as being a language barrier is also a genetic boundary.

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A version of the UGT 1A1 called *6 is present in 2.5% of Asians,but is nor present in blacks or white.

SOURCE;THE ECONOMIST;APRIL 15TH-21 ST 2006 PAGE 88

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Dutch sailors shipwrecked in Western Australia appeared to have married local Aborigines because Porphyria because some local aborigines suffer from Porphyria(The disease that GEORGE 111 is supposed to have.

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George III, not George 111. But yes, this is interesting.

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One might have thought you would have questioned the "married" in Badboy's post rather than nit-picking.

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You guys still talking about population genetics??

Funny thing, the more I read about the topic, the more convinced I am that the Haldane dilemma is the only meaningful thing which the field has ever turned up and that the main theories of the subject are essentially made up on an ad-hoc basis.

Consider (from Walter Remine's "Biotic Message"):

Harvard geneticist, Richard Lewontin:

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"For many years population genetics was an immensely rich and powerful theory with virtually no suitable facts on which to operate. It was like a complex and exquisite machine, designed to process a raw material that no one had succeeded in mining. Quite suddenly the situation has changed. The mother-lode has been tapped and facts in profusion have been poured into the hoppers of this theory machine. And from the other end has issued - nothing. It is not that the machinery does not work, for a great clashing of gears is clearly audible, if not deafening, but it somehow cannot transform into a finished product the great volume of raw material that has been provided. The entire relationship between the theory and the facts needs to be reconsidered." (Lewontin, 1974, p 189)

The military term for such a state of affairs, of course, is FUBAR...

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Then again, consider the following (also from Remine's book):

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There turned out to be much more genetic variation in our species than selection theory would allow for.

The original claim was that heterozygote advantage, for example, actively prevents genetic variation from being removed from the population. Heterozygote advantage occurs due to the mixing of genes from two parents by sexual reproduction. This mixing (known as Mendelian segregation) creates homozygotes and heterozygotes each generation. Heterozygote advantage is when the heterozygote genotype has a survival advantage over the homozygotes. The classic case of heterozygote advantage is sickle-cell anemia....

...others pointed out that selectionists were employing this explanation too much. It was single-handedly incurring a cost too high for any mammalian species to pay.

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"If 2000 overdominant loci are segregating, each with 1% heterozygote advantage, and if the selection is carried out by premature death of less fit homozygotes, each individual must produce on the average roughly 22,000 young in order to maintain the population number constant from generation to generation. (Kimura)

...Soon the selectionists had developed an alternate mechanism for maintaining high levels of genetic variation. The new mechanism, generally called balancing selection, relies on four types of selection. It involves traits whose survival values change depending on environmental conditions of time, space, population density, or gene frequency...

The defining characteristic of what scholars refer to as a "pseudoscience" is unfalsifiability. That is, if it is not possible to devise a test which would falsify a theory or doctrine, the theory is basically outside the realm of science.

In the case of an ideological doctrine like evolution, when overwhelming disproofs and a long history of nothing but surprises and reversals utterly fails to evoke anything other than further intellectual contortions and gymnastics from the doctrine's adherents, then a reasonable person assumes the definition of "pseudoscience" has been met.

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1. You totally misread Popper.

2Cant you begin quoting stuff that is less than 30 years + old??
(Amazing discoveries have been made in the late 90's and into thenew millenium)--do you know that?

Even Haldane admiited that he would probably be proven wrong as more evidence was collected.

Youre pushing wagon wheels when were living with maglev.

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The very fact that someone as delusional as Gungasnake exists must be proof that God can't have created this world.

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gunga wrote-

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It is not that the machinery does not work, for a great clashing of gears is clearly audible, if not deafening, but it somehow cannot transform into a finished product the great volume of raw material that has been provided.

That's hypocrisy for ya.

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The good news is that there ARE people bright enough to read some of the stuff I post for content and get something out of it. The law of averages says some of those people will read A2K here and there.

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It would help if you gave us the original source for some of your quotes, Mr. Gungasnake. It is quite ingenious of you to quote random articles without giving us the sources to help us validate the facts and search for the facts behind the article itself.

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Heres a list of Creationist Claims from the Talk Origins archive. One of my students found it in a look at Remines stuffCREATIONIST CLAIMS ENUMERATED LIKE MOZART

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Wolf_ODonnell wrote:

It would help if you gave us the original source for some of your quotes, Mr. Gungasnake. It is quite ingenious of you to quote random articles without giving us the sources to help us validate the facts and search for the facts behind the article itself.

I did. Once again, the source of the quotes is Walter Remine's "Biotic Message".

The main thing that jumps out at you reading through the chapters on population genetics and the Haldane Dilemma is how flagrant and obvious it is that the people involved in that "science" are simply making crap up as they go along on an ad-hoc basis, as one piece after another after another after another of the so-called scientific basis of evolutionism is shown not to work.

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Things are really modern here in Witchita.

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gungasnake wrote:

I did. Once again, the source of the quotes is Walter Remine's "Biotic Message".

The full source. Including page numbers, ISBN Number (actually not that one, that's going a bit overboard), its published date etc.

Actually don't bother. I see Answers in Genesis has an overview of the book which just happens to be Creationist propaganda. Well, howdy do. I also notice that the book has no real research of its own and merely makes unjustified assumptions from other people's work.

I can't believe that anyone in their right mind would believe in that Creationist ideology BS.

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I get a kick out of Remines book. Notice the rave reviews from fellow travellers.REVIEWS OF REMINES BOOK..The few reviews from "real scientists" cant be labeled as support, they say things like "thought provoking" or some other statement taken ouit of context no doubt

Not to belabor this point , but gunga, dont you think that population size is an important variable in Remines simulation? His original population size was 6.

Hardly a "going" concern. You know what we call populations of individuals with only 6 breeding individuals?

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