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Police Unions and Guns

 
 
giujohn
 
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Reply Sun 14 Aug, 2016 10:08 am
@Miller,
Ya... I was mistaken apparently it doesn't apply to federal workers such as myself.
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roger
 
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Reply Sun 14 Aug, 2016 04:01 pm
@giujohn,
Yes, but to repeat myself

roger wrote:

For what it's worth, in a violent or potentially violent situation, the officer almost always prefers to be the only person with a firearm. They absolutely do not want Mr. Good Citizen to pull out a gun and try to 'help'.


I don't believe that statement is contradicted by a single point you have made.
giujohn
 
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Reply Sun 14 Aug, 2016 05:04 pm
@roger,
Let me see if I can answer your question as a former experienced police officer.
You're speaking in absolutes and you can't do that. Generally speaking if I am in a potentially and I emphasize the word potentially violent situation yes I would prefer to be the only one there with a gun... It's a matter of control and that's primarily what you are taught to do, control the situation. However and this is a very big however, if my life is in immediate Danger and I am losing or it appears as though I may lose I would have to be an idiot not to want a legally armed citizen to assist me.
The fact of the matter is I can't name an instance where a legally armed citizens when trying to help a police officer made the situation worse although I'm sure there must be at least one. But on the flip side there are numerous I say again numerous incidents throughout the years where a good guy with a gun has saved the police officers life.
Whenever I had a Ride Along with me who appeared to be a confident Able Bodied person although according to department regulation they were not allowed to carry their personal firearm (including my twin brother) I did however tell them how to access my locked Shotgun by showing where the hidden button was in case the situation went to **** in order to either help save my life or their own.
I hope that answers your question.
roger
 
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Reply Sun 14 Aug, 2016 05:17 pm
@giujohn,
giujohn wrote:


You're speaking in absolutes and you can't do that.


Yes, and it saved paragraphs of "what ifs".
giujohn
 
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Reply Sun 14 Aug, 2016 05:21 pm
@roger,
Quote:
They absolutely do not want Mr. Good Citizen to pull out a gun and try to 'help'


Well then let's be clear... I can't imagine any police officer who believes when his life is in immediate danger of being lost would subscribe to this absolute.
roger
 
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Reply Sun 14 Aug, 2016 05:26 pm
@giujohn,
Sure. Gimme time and I can probably make up a scenario in which a kid with an ice cream cone saved somebody's life. My statement remains unrefuted.
giujohn
 
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Reply Sun 14 Aug, 2016 05:30 pm
@roger,
Okay so if you ever decide to become a cop maybe it would be helpful if you wear a big sign on your back saying , "If you think I'm in trouble and you want to try to save my life... Don't bother".
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gollum
 
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Reply Sun 14 Aug, 2016 06:02 pm
@Miller,
miller-

Thank you.

I posted above a list of the right-to-work States (source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-to-work_law#U.S._states_with_right-to-work_laws ).

They do not include New York. I worked for a New York State government agency. There was a choice between:

1) Joining the union and paying union dues; or

2) Not joining the union and paying agency fees in an amount equal to union dues. Such person could file an annual protest of the political use of the union's funds and get a refund of that percentage of their dues paid.
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