@neologist,
neologist wrote:
Could you expand on what you mean by GOD?
For some the stomach is god.
Sure, the stomach god is the god of this world, along with the sports god, the patriotism god, the dollar god, the prestige god, Zeus, Mars and the Devil himself. You have a multitude of world ruling gods.
@InfraBlue,
It appears your understanding is at least as good as that of the OP.
But would you consider expanding your concept of the god of this world? It seems so erudite,
@jeremiahscheidt,
jeremiahscheidt wrote:could you expand on this belief
Could you expand on which God you are asking about and on why you think this question is meaningful.
Religion stopped people stealing/hurting others and meant they were scared to do wrong hence control and hence civilization.
Law has helped in modern times since we have learned more.
@SolidAir,
SolidAir wrote:
Religion stopped people stealing/hurting others and meant they were scared to do wrong hence control and hence civilization.
Law has helped in modern times since we have learned more.
Religion and law have stopped people stealing and hurting each other?
Who knew?!
@jwagner,
Quote:Evolution eliminates any need for a "God"
Yeah. Galileo gave the Christian god a mortal blow and in 1632 was tried by the church and found guilty. In 1992 the catholic church admitted they were wrong. Not exactly an apology, but it took 360 years to get even that.
Then Darwin and Wallace gave the Christian god a coup de grace. though he's still running around with his head cut off, and he still has followers who deny evolution. As jwagner said, with evolution there is no need for the supernatural.
I think if you want to experience the divine, you have to end any concepts of gods.
@jeremiahscheidt,
jeremiahscheidt said,
"Have you considered that evolution does not exist?"
Well, maybe gravity doesn't exist, but I'm pretty sure it does. Neil deGrasse Tyson says that "the theory of evolution is a fact."
@InfraBlue,
neologist wrote:It appears your understanding is at least as good as that of the OP.
But would you consider expanding your concept of the god of this world? It seems so erudite,
Somehow you failed to notice the singular identity assigned to the one called "god of this world". Inasmuch as anything that is worshiped can be termed "god"; and considering that at Isaiah 9:6, Jesus is referred to as "Mighty God", we do well to identify the one from whom Jesus distanced himself as the "ruler (or prince, god) of this world" at John 14:30.
@coluber2001,
coluber2001 wrote: . . . Galileo gave the Christian god a mortal blow and in 1632 was tried by the church and found guilty. . . .
Galileo was a believer. His contention was with the Church.
@coluber2001,
coluber2001 wrote:. . . Neil deGrasse Tyson says that "the theory of evolution is a fact."
I know . . . Ain't that a kick . . . A smart guy like that who would gloss over the definitions of hypothesis, theory, and law. Oy.
@SolidAir,
Religion also was responsible for many wars that killed.
Quote:Lowest estimate Highest estimate Event
3,000,000 11,500,000 Thirty Years' War
2,000,000 4,000,000 French Wars of Religion
1,000,000 2,000,000 Second Sudanese Civil War
1,000,000 3,000,000 Crusades
1 more row, 5 more columns
Religious war - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_warWikipedia
I know a faithful Muslim that believes all gays should be executed. Its her belief. Trying to convince her thats terrible is the same thing as trying to convince a believer in God there is none...a big waste of time. People believe what they want to believe, because mostly they have been brainwashed into it. I was raised believing in God, most were. Only when I became an adult, I realized how silly it was, but I still struggle to let go. I do believe God is a brainwash, and it can take decades to dissolve. That does not mean some of the teachings in the bible are warrantless. I just treat them like Aesops fables instead of a supernatural force.
@neologist,
neologist wrote:
neologist wrote:It appears your understanding is at least as good as that of the OP.
But would you consider expanding your concept of the god of this world? It seems so erudite,
Somehow you failed to notice the singular identity assigned to the one called "god of this world". Inasmuch as anything that is worshiped can be termed "god"; and considering that at Isaiah 9:6, Jesus is referred to as "Mighty God", we do well to identify the one from whom Jesus distanced himself as the "ruler (or prince, god) of this world" at John 14:30.
Sure, and add to that your conflation of the idea of worshiping one's stomach, patriotism, etc. and you get
word salad. Erudition indeed.
When Newologist comes here and babbles about "the god of this world," he means "Satan," because his main mission in life is to peddle that Watchtower bullsh*t. When he speaks about evolution, he babbles from profound ignorance. After having told us for years that he majored in psych at university, he has suddenly revealed that he had formerly been a Chem major, and that he objects to a theory of evolution on the basis of the scientific method. He objects, he says, because of speciation and macroevolution. He then proceeds to display his ignorance about speciation. I recently replied by pointed out that species are also defined by sexual isolation and genetic drift, and provided the example of polar bears and brown bears (grizzlies). His response was to call that a straw man, displaying his ignorance both of evolutionary biology and of logical fallacies. He then trotted out that holy roller favorite, to the effect that his dog is still a dog. But dogs are not wolves, or dholes, or jackals, even though they can all successfully breed interspecifically. That's because he really doesn't understand speciation or macroevolution. Really, in the long string of god botherers we've had here who babble about evolution, he is one of the least informed.
There is no difference between Newy and the creep that pounds on your door early on Saturday morning, trying to foist a copy of the Watchtower magazine off on you.
@Lilkanyon,
Lilkanyon wrote:. . . People believe what they want to believe . . .
See. That wasn't hard, was it?
The question then becomes 'will some people be willing to question their beloved bias?'
@InfraBlue,
All I provided was the words. You are the salad chef.
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:When Newologist comes here and babbles about "the god of this world," he means "Satan," because his main mission in life is to peddle that Watchtower bullsh*t. When he speaks about evolution, he babbles from profound ignorance. After having told us for years that he majored in psych at university, he has suddenly revealed that he had formerly been a Chem major, and that he objects to a theory of evolution on the basis of the scientific method. He objects, he says, because of speciation and macroevolution. He then proceeds to display his ignorance about speciation. I recently replied by pointed out that species are also defined by sexual isolation and genetic drift, and provided the example of polar bears and brown bears (grizzlies). His response was to call that a straw man, displaying his ignorance both of evolutionary biology and of logical fallacies. He then trotted out that holy roller favorite, to the effect that his dog is still a dog. But dogs are not wolves, or dholes, or jackals, even though they can all successfully breed interspecifically. That's because he really doesn't understand speciation or macroevolution. Really, in the long string of god botherers we've had here who babble about evolution, he is one of the least informed.
There is no difference between Newy and the creep that pounds on your door early on Saturday morning, trying to foist a copy of the Watchtower magazine off on you.
Those who wish to revisit the exchanges Setanta refers to are welcome to read the discussion which started about
here, more or less. Nothing more needs to be said.
Any religion has to adapt and evolve with the science and knowledge of the times, otherwise it comes in conflict with itself and becomes nothing more than a defense mechanism, and it eventually becomes extinct, it dies. The beautiful, living poetry of religion becomes an ugly, prosaic, extinct beast. So what are the young, potential followers to do?
This has been the fate of all past religions. The poetry is in the metaphorical and not in the literal interpretation. Religion must remain subjective and not try to become objective; that's the realm of science.
