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How could a good God allow suffering?

 
 
awisse17
 
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Reply Fri 20 May, 2016 08:24 am
@InfraBlue,
Yes he could, if the people he created sinned and disobeyed him. Then there can be suffering allowed.
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Fri 20 May, 2016 09:05 am
@awisse17,
Then he would not be "good" because he would have allowed "bad."
ctd15
 
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Reply Fri 20 May, 2016 09:07 am
@InfraBlue,
It wasn't God that gave us the bad, we chose it
awisse17
 
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Reply Fri 20 May, 2016 09:08 am
@InfraBlue,
God created things perfect which is good, but we chose to disobey which is bad
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Fri 20 May, 2016 09:13 am
@neologist,
neologist wrote:

I think my definition of (lower case) god may be different from yours.
After all, for some folks, their stomach is their god.
And many folks worship their brains.


It seems you yourself get lost in your definitional word salad.

The "god of this world" that "has blinded the minds of unbelievers," and is an entity upon which you lay the blame for the ills of the earth is equatable to peoples' regard for their stomachs and brains.
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Fri 20 May, 2016 09:14 am
@ctd15,
ctd15 wrote:

It wasn't God that gave us the bad, we chose it

He allowed it.
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Fri 20 May, 2016 09:16 am
@awisse17,
awisse17 wrote:

God created things perfect which is good, but we chose to disobey which is bad


So there is bad in the good. By any definition it's still bad, and you're saying that God created this, so God is bad.
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ctd15
 
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Reply Fri 20 May, 2016 09:17 am
@InfraBlue,
But if it wasn't for our disobedience He wouldn't have allowed it.
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Fri 20 May, 2016 09:35 am
@InfraBlue,
Quote:
Logically speaking, if suffering is something to be deemed "bad," then a good God, by definition, could not allow suffering.
There are many things that people choose to do that cause suffering. Climbing a mountain is just one example. They even pay large sums of money for that opportunity to suffer but they deem it worthwhile. It can be seen as the incidental costs to gain a greater good.

Therefore suffering cannot be defined as 'bad'.
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Fri 20 May, 2016 09:54 am
@Leadfoot,
Leadfoot wrote:

Quote:
Logically speaking, if suffering is something to be deemed "bad," then a good God, by definition, could not allow suffering.
There are many things that people choose to do that cause suffering. Climbing a mountain is just one example. They even pay large sums of money for that opportunity to suffer but they deem it worthwhile. It can be seen as the incidental costs to gain a greater good.

Therefore suffering cannot be defined as 'bad'.


So there goes that postulate.
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Fri 20 May, 2016 09:56 am
@ctd15,
ctd15 wrote:

But if it wasn't for our disobedience He wouldn't have allowed it.

He's allowing it, all the same, however. That makes him bad.
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Fri 20 May, 2016 10:03 am
@ctd15,
Quote:
But if it wasn't for our disobedience He wouldn't have allowed it.
Nonsense. Probably the greatest suffering that we can experience is the mental struggle with the many choices we face. Adam and Eve struggled with this even before the choice to eat of the tree.

God not only allows suffering, he fully expects it.
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neologist
 
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Reply Fri 20 May, 2016 11:37 am
@InfraBlue,
neologist wrote:
I think my definition of (lower case) god may be different from yours.
After all, for some folks, their stomach is their god.
And many folks worship their brains.
InfraBlue wrote:
It seems you yourself get lost in your definitional word salad.
Liberal application of dressing does not make a salad.
InfraBlue wrote:
The "god of this world" that "has blinded the minds of unbelievers," and is an entity upon which you lay the blame for the ills of the earth is equatable to peoples' regard for their stomachs and brains.
If you worship some entity, or give deference to it, it may be considered a 'god'. For some, it might be patriotism, or a sports team, or dollars, or prestige. For others, it may be a god with a name such as Zeus or Mars. The "god of this world" is one we often identify with the upper case title of Satan, though his actual name is not known. Those who place the position of any 'god' before the true God are falling into the design of "the god of this world".

Any who worship their brain should understand it has a mind of its own.
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Fri 20 May, 2016 12:44 pm
@neologist,
neologist wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:

neologist wrote:

I think my definition of (lower case) god may be different from yours.
After all, for some folks, their stomach is their god.
And many folks worship their brains.
It seems you yourself get lost in your definitional word salad.


Liberal application of dressing does not make a salad.


Uh-huh.

neologist wrote:
InfraBlue wrote:
The "god of this world" that "has blinded the minds of unbelievers," and is an entity upon which you lay the blame for the ills of the earth is equatable to peoples' regard for their stomachs and brains.

If you worship some entity, or give deference to it, it may be considered a 'god'. For some, it might be patriotism, or a sports team, or dollars, or prestige. For others, it may be a god with a name such as Zeus or Mars. The "god of this world" is one we often identify with the upper case title of Satan, though his actual name is not known. Those who place the position of any 'god' before the true God are falling into the design of "the god of this world".

Any who worship their brain should understand it has a mind of its own.


Your conflation of the various definitions of "god" confuses your interpretation of that passage in 2 Corinthians. Its result is word salad.
neologist
 
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Reply Fri 20 May, 2016 06:11 pm
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:
. . . Your conflation of the various definitions of "god" confuses your interpretation of that passage in 2 Corinthians. Its result is word salad.
I am sorry to have confused you with the idea that there could be more than one definition for the word 'god'. I thought the phrase "god of this world" would be self explanatory.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Fri 20 May, 2016 07:02 pm
@neologist,
What about the god of Pluto?
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Fri 20 May, 2016 07:05 pm
@edgarblythe,
Wasn't that Mickey Mouse?
Glennn
 
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Reply Fri 20 May, 2016 07:07 pm
@Leadfoot,
No, it was Walt Disney.
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neologist
 
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Reply Fri 20 May, 2016 07:08 pm
@edgarblythe,
OD'd on Pluto Water.
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neologist
 
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Reply Fri 20 May, 2016 07:42 pm
@InfraBlue,
ctd15 wrote:
But if it wasn't for our disobedience He wouldn't have allowed it.
InfraBlue wrote:
He's allowing it, all the same, however. That makes him bad.
Interesting point of view. . .
So when a parent allows his child to undergo a painful life saving operation, you may rightly declare the parent evil.

I'm glad I ain't your kid. . .
 

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