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Fri 6 May, 2016 08:03 am
Ive had an idea for years for a comic, but I always rejected it because of the difficulty. Its basically is about a group of that fight enemies with the power of song. However, although music will be a big part of it, I worry it wont work well. Music cant be heard through pages after all...so there is no way anyone could tell the music type, the sounds, and the songs.
I feel like if the story is heavily music based, that the reader will feel like they are missing out, and not enjoying the story fully. Does anyone have any ideas on how to...er...make it work better?
@frostfire,
You just need to be more clever ---
Use pictures of notes, musical instruments, etc.
A quick search on google images of comic music should give you ideas.
@Linkat,
Linkat wrote:
You just need to be more clever ---
Use pictures of notes, musical instruments, etc.
A quick search on google images of comic music should give you ideas.
This is a great way to go about that creation of a comic visually depicting music in a visual only medium.
Can you produce the ACTUAL music in question? There's no reason why you can't upload the accompanying music online in MP3 format (that is if you own the copyrights to the music) and let the reader listen to the music while reading the text.
On the other hand, if you are planning on using copyrighted material from third parties you still won't be able to quote large sums of lyrics even into the text of your book if you plan on selling the finished product. You will still need to get legal permission from the copyright owners to do that.
@Linkat,
Hm, that isnt a bad idea! It could really help with conveying the idea of music~ <3
@tsarstepan,
Well i had been debating between using real music and just letting the reader imagine the sound on their own, going off of the visuals given. I think i may do the latter, since it would be much easier.
@frostfire,
how you present movement visually will/can help people to understand the music/rhythm you want to reflect
I've been working a lot with breaking down music so it can presented visually in the last year as part of my dance study. it's work - but so is much good art
@frostfire,
I think the comic can't be about music, the music must support the plot. The protagonist is going to have to channel his hard life as a mild mannered song writer into his work to defeat the villains. His pain at being dumped yet again by the love of his life will have to allow him to come back from the edge of defeat. He'll have to find the music, twist out the lyrics from the very depth of his soul at the last minute to find that extra surge of power that will defeat the Monotone Marionette while at the same time conveying to the reader the depth of his misery and his eternal hope that tomorrow will bring a better day. I don't think you actually have to have an audio track to do that.
@engineer,
Thats what I meant...i didnt literally mean the story was about music...what I was saying is that its a big suporting element. I guess I just worded it wrong.
@Linkat,
these examples are good as you can tell how different the music would be between the two frames
@Linkat,
Write down comic sounds that sound musical..Paw,rawww..And so on. Let the comic characters comment about the singing person's voice...'Look leo,he sounds like a whinning rat;/draw the character laughing if its a bad voice\ next, use emotions. But only when the reader has known the character. tis by drawing a sad expression and putting thoughts running in the characters head/with little circles/use emotional words, Then make them suddenly pop up with an idea. expressions are very important-they are music to the ears of the reader. Ask me if you need more information.
@tsarstepan,
"Can you produce the ACTUAL music in question? There's no reason why you can't upload the accompanying music online in MP3 format (that is if you own the copyrights to the music) and let the reader listen to the music while reading the text. "
Love this idea. Even a recommended soundtrack I think would be sufficient. If it's an e-comic, you can post links to whatever songs you like.
I'm not an attorney, but I don't see how this would be breaking any copyright laws if the songs are already uploaded on YouTube or something.
@Kaitholik,
Kaitholik wrote:
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I'm not an attorney, but I don't see how this would be breaking any copyright laws if the songs are already uploaded on YouTube or something.
Well, I
am an attorney.
About that. Just because something is uploaded onto YouTube does not mean the person who uploaded it had permission of the intellectual property owner to do so. A lot of that stuff is taken down via DMCA takedown notices - you might just be seeing stuff that the IP holder has not gotten to yet, or thinks isn't worth the $$ and time.
And if the music is uploaded by permission of the IP holder (say, on Vevo), then ripping it does not somehow magically create a license in the person who grabbed the music from the legit channel.
You get permission to use music the following ways:
- Make it yourself, as in not just play it but compose it, too
- No talent for composing? Then buy a cover artist licence. They're cheap. Here's where you can do that. https://loudr.fm/
- License it, or get a company to do so. Here's a company I found online that will do this. http://greenlightrights.com/music/
- Get written permission from the intellectual property owner. Hey, if you know Bruce Springsteen or Roseanne Cash, then go for it.
- The composer has released the music into the public domain. Never assume this. Always assume music is not in the public domain. Try here. https://musopen.org/ Or -
- The music already is in the public domain. That is, it was composed before 1922. So add all the Bach you want - but be aware that a specific recording, say, from the London Philharmonic, will still have intellectual property issues.
Wikipedia has a decent article on this, although it is rather technical in wording.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_domain_music
@jespah,
Interesting...
Suggested listening for this post:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGwWNGJdvx8&list=PL3oW2tjiIxvQ1BZS58qtot3-p-lD32oWT&index=2
Lets say you share links to a song that is squeaky clean on Youtube on a website as a suggested accompaniment. Am I breaking copyright law now?
Just curious.
@Kaitholik,
Sharing links isn't the issue. That's just a conveyance. If you steal a song and press a copy in, let's say, a record store (if they still exist), then the record store is not liable, and neither is a radio station if they play the record (or disc or .mp3, for that matter).
It's the posting and ripping which matters more - and the courts in the US look at a
four-pronged fair use argument. "Just for fun" is generally not going to fly as fair use unless you can prove parody/satire - and even then, it's not guaranteed.
@frostfire,
You might track down the Spellsinger fantasy series for some ideas. Doesn't matter which one. It was written by Allen Dean Foster. An interesting read if you care for fantasy, so it won't be a total loss.
@frostfire,
There's a ton of music-based manga and graphic novels to reference. I wonder if this former a2k member has ever hit her stride in succeeding to create a music-centered comic?
@jespah,
jespah wrote:
Kaitholik wrote:
...
I'm not an attorney, but I don't see how this would be breaking any copyright laws if the songs are already uploaded on YouTube or something.
Well, I
am an attorney.
About that. Just because something is uploaded onto YouTube does not mean the person who uploaded it had permission of the intellectual property owner to do so. A lot of that stuff is taken down via DMCA takedown notices - you might just be seeing stuff that the IP holder has not gotten to yet, or thinks isn't worth the $$ and time.
And if the music is uploaded by permission of the IP holder (say, on Vevo), then ripping it does not somehow magically create a license in the person who grabbed the music from the legit channel.
You get permission to use music the following ways:
- Make it yourself, as in not just play it but compose it, too
- No talent for composing? Then buy a cover artist licence. They're cheap. Here's where you can do that. https://loudr.fm/
- License it, or get a company to do so. Here's a company I found online that will do this. http://greenlightrights.com/music/
- Get written permission from the intellectual property owner. Hey, if you know Bruce Springsteen or Roseanne Cash, then go for it.
- The composer has released the music into the public domain. Never assume this. Always assume music is not in the public domain. Try here. https://musopen.org/ Or -
- The music already is in the public domain. That is, it was composed before 1922. So add all the Bach you want - but be aware that a specific recording, say, from the London Philharmonic, will still have intellectual property issues.
Wikipedia has a decent article on this, although it is rather technical in wording.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_domain_music
This response is over three years old. I'm wondering now that streaming services like Spotify ... if you could circumvent this problem by creating a playlist of the songs one is to play along with the reading content on Spotify?
Technically, the author of the comic book doesn't directly profit from the music being played (and the music artist does get whatever royalty sharing revenue that comes with each subsequent play on Spotify).
@tsarstepan,
I think playlists aren't an issue because you're not moving the music off the medium through which the artist is being paid.
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