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Inspired by Drom's Elation Thread

 
 
Letty
 
Reply Sun 22 Aug, 2004 11:05 am
It's only in elation that we can feel salvation
Of the mind.

We sink and then we flounder,
Only to encounter the sublime.

Strange the oddness of desire,
That lifts us up to pointed spire
Of sharpness that precludes
The mire of sublimation
Wind and fire.
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drom et reve
 
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Reply Sun 22 Aug, 2004 01:41 pm
This was wonderful, Letty Very Happy. I'm so glad that that thread that I started inspired something both so uplifting and so beautiful.

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Letty
 
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Reply Sun 22 Aug, 2004 02:01 pm
Well, drom. Last evening I was feeling in a "poor me" mood and I read through some of the poetry on your thread. I decided that it was better to be elated than deflated, soooooooo, the result was this rather arcane piece. So glad you liked it, my friend.
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drom et reve
 
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Reply Sun 22 Aug, 2004 02:05 pm
I don't think that I have ever read anything of yours that I dislike, but I loved this piece's message and music. I'm equally glad to hear that that thread cheered you out of that mood Very Happy.

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fortune
 
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Reply Sun 22 Aug, 2004 06:18 pm
Just lovely, Letty. Elating, in fact!
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gustavratzenhofer
 
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Reply Sun 22 Aug, 2004 06:24 pm
That's not bad, Letty. Not bad at all.

But yet there's something there that's bothering me.

Something paradoxical.

Let me ponder this for a bit.
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Letty
 
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Reply Sun 22 Aug, 2004 06:30 pm
ah, Gus and fortune. Thank you both.

Yes, a paradox in time with a little twist of lime.

Now I must do something odd, like eat.

With love,
from Letty
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stuh505
 
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Reply Sun 22 Aug, 2004 07:56 pm
my intent to interpret this also leaves me with a contradiction

im sure you didnt expect to have your poem dissected like this, but its what we all do when we read them anyway

>>Strange the oddness of desire,
>>That lifts us up to pointed spire

lifting us up to pointed spire, a metaphor for happiness..

>>Of sharpness that precludes
>>The mire of sublimation

this point does seem rather contradictory, Letty.
the only connection I see here for sublimation ( a solid turning directly into a gas) is that it can be related to the metaphor for being lifted up to the spire...because solids are weighted down to Earth by gravity, and gasses tend to sail upwards...

however, you refer to sublimation as a mire! and you also refer to sharpness (whatever negative force that may refer to) as precluding sublimation

>>Wind and fire.

because they rhyme, right? Razz
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fortune
 
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Reply Sun 22 Aug, 2004 08:17 pm
Stuh, your definition of sublimation, while accurate, is the wrong one. The word is also defined as elevation or ecstacy, transformation into something higher. My dictionary calls it, "the unconcious diversion towards higher aims of the energy attaching to an instinct (oten sexual instinct)."
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stuh505
 
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Reply Sun 22 Aug, 2004 08:47 pm
fortune,

ah, I have heard it used that way, but I was unware that that was also a formal definition. thank you..anyway, you'll notice that I was interpeting it to mean that anyway
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fortune
 
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Reply Sun 22 Aug, 2004 09:02 pm
Granted. Don't try too hard to pull apart poems, a certain amount of licence is expected. The beauty of poetry lies in the imagery, not technical finickiness. Smile
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Letty
 
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Reply Mon 23 Aug, 2004 05:41 am
Good morning all.

stuh, I am pleased that you want to dig into the words of the poem, because that means that it must have touched a nerve somewhere.
Frankly, I just wrote it or shall we say it just wrote itself.

The overall connotations simply depict the idea that we really can't appreciate elation until we've experienced "deflation".

You'll notice that earth and water are absent from the verse. <smile>
Sublimation is the term that Freud uses to denote energy diverted into loftier things. (fortune is correct on this one as it is usually sexual energy, but doesn't have to be).
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